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Porsche are targeting a whole new group of customers / buyers with this upcoming platform.
-They will probably outsell the current 718 ICE several times over
-They probably will be at full capacity for years
-They probably don't care for any current 718 customers wants or demands if it brings huge revenue growth for the company
-They probably expect the ICE diehards and brand lovers to transition into 911's
I estimate they are targeting 911 volumes with this. 80,000 units P.A
You're giving way to much credit to the EV world.
How's that going for the Taycan?
Interesting how Tesla tried a sports car and it failed. The most capable EV company doesn't provide a sports car. They know their consumer base well. EV isn't for the sport car enthusiast, rather for the ones that see transportation as a necessity, not pleasure.
In case you weren't aware, there is 5-6 times as much energy stored in your gas tank (a combustible, highly volatile liquid) than there is in the battery of a Taycan. But don't let facts get in the way of your fear.
Be careful of the flooded roads in California right now. Actually, I believe you shortchanged the energy density of gasoline compared to Lithium-ion state of the art by volume or by weight. More than 5 or 6 times.
As I said, I might buy an EV if they fix some issues and satisfy my needs for a sporting vehicle. I'm not closed minded on this, just realistic.
We have had 100 years on how to make gas tanks and their motors not explode so often or catch fire as easily as battery operated counterparts. I will stay ICE as long as I can, and maybe add a mild hybrid with a like a 200 pound battery for my daily driver.
So the 982 is still going to be sold in 2025 and 2026 is what I read there. Doesn't say what engines though and I read that as there is zero chance the 983? comes withe ICE engines. They're also holding off the 911 EV until 2030. Sounds like they know the EV sports car sucks hard in it's current form and needs a lot more time to get good.
A Panamera GTS 4L twin turbo V8 gets my vote 473HP
The car manufactures are not listening the Current Driver Base, they are looking at the Future Driver Base. They target those steeped in the new thinking about how great EV's are and ignoring the source of the electricity for those cars.
They will have to mandate EV's to get more people on board with them. Do you know many people who's only car is an EV who commutes to work daily? I don't care about those who take mass transport all week and then virtue signal on the weekend with their 100k EV. Just about everyone I know who has an EV here has another super sedan or two or an huge SUV to drive as well. One person I know who got an EV as her daily found out the hard way more than once that was not a great idea. Fortunately her spouse had a gasoline car to pick her up each time.
The car manufactures are not listening the Current Driver Base, they are looking at the Future Driver Base. They target those steeped in the new thinking about how great EV's are and ignoring the source of the electricity for those cars.
They will have to mandate EV's to get more people on board with them. Do you know many people who's only car is an EV who commutes to work daily? I don't care about those who take mass transport all week and then virtue signal on the weekend with their 100k EV. Just about everyone I know who has an EV here has another super sedan or two or an huge SUV to drive as well. One person I know who got an EV as her daily found out the hard way more than once that was not a great idea. Fortunately her spouse had a gasoline car to pick her up each time.
We have had 100 years on how to make gas tanks and their motors not explode so often or catch fire as easily as battery operated counterparts. I will stay ICE as long as I can, and maybe add a mild hybrid with a like a 200 pound battery for my daily driver.
Unless you're driving around with a puncture-resistant racing fuel cell, your 100 years of development is not going to make your fuel tank any less likely to leak (and catch fire) in the event of an accident. What it will do is expose you to all manner of toxins/carcinogens that will shorten your life slowly.
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EVs have a political mandate driven by the media, politicians and environmental interest groups. Younger buyers and others who considerer themselves socially aware may be more inclined toward EVs as it is the cool thing right now and they think are helping to save the planet not to mention the virtue signaling and peer group pressure. When one tells these folks that there is no such thing as a "0" emission vehicle even if the electricity comes from a nuke because they are very dirty environmental problems with the mining of materials to make these things, you get looks of disbelief or are labeled as some type of "denier. "
EVs are being forced upon people and the companies that make them. It does not appear that the technology is really there to implement this type of transition on a massive scale, yet these points are often glossed over with other problems that the EVs have like excessive weight, range and in some cases problems getting insured. Good grief, an EV Hummer weighs in at 9000# lots of potential energy turning into kinetic energy if one of these things hits a Prius.
Porsche is being forced by the EU to change to EV s to stay in business, yet they will cling to an ICE 911 as long as possible. It will be interesting to see if Porsche's E-fuel idea gets traction.
EVs have a political mandate driven by the media, politicians and environmental interest groups. Younger buyers and others who considerer themselves socially aware may be more inclined toward EVs as it is the cool thing right now and they think are helping to save the planet not to mention the virtue signaling and peer group pressure. When one tells these folks that there is no such thing as a "0" emission vehicle even if the electricity comes from a nuke because they are very dirty environmental problems with the mining of materials to make these things, you get looks of disbelief or are labeled as some type of "denier. "
EVs are being forced upon people and the companies that make them. It does not appear that the technology is really there to implement this type of transition on a massive scale, yet these points are often glossed over with other problems that the EVs have like excessive weight, range and in some cases problems getting insured. Good grief, an EV Hummer weighs in at 9000# lots of potential energy turning into kinetic energy if one of these things hits a Prius.
Porsche is being forced by the EU to change to EV s to stay in business, yet they will cling to an ICE 911 as long as possible. It will be interesting to see if Porsche's E-fuel idea gets traction.
EVs have a political mandate driven by the media, politicians and environmental interest groups. Younger buyers and others who considerer themselves socially aware may be more inclined toward EVs as it is the cool thing right now and they think are helping to save the planet not to mention the virtue signaling and peer group pressure. When one tells these folks that there is no such thing as a "0" emission vehicle even if the electricity comes from a nuke because they are very dirty environmental problems with the mining of materials to make these things, you get looks of disbelief or are labeled as some type of "denier. "
EVs are being forced upon people and the companies that make them. It does not appear that the technology is really there to implement this type of transition on a massive scale, yet these points are often glossed over with other problems that the EVs have like excessive weight, range and in some cases problems getting insured. Good grief, an EV Hummer weighs in at 9000# lots of potential energy turning into kinetic energy if one of these things hits a Prius.
Porsche is being forced by the EU to change to EV s to stay in business, yet they will cling to an ICE 911 as long as possible. It will be interesting to see if Porsche's E-fuel idea gets traction.
Well said.
Most car manufacturers are jumping on the EV band wagon because it is the ‘right’ thing to do. Save the world.
Did we already forget about diesel? Wasn’t that supposed to be the savior?
If you look at the total environmental impact that starts from mining of the minerals to recycling obsolete EV/ batteries. It is not as green as one would think.
There is a lot of wishful thinking out there in response to the aggressive timelines mandated by the governments.
Once we are into solid state battery, the range issue should be much better. But we are not there yet.
EVs have a political mandate driven by the media, politicians and environmental interest groups. Younger buyers and others who considerer themselves socially aware may be more inclined toward EVs as it is the cool thing right now and they think are helping to save the planet not to mention the virtue signaling and peer group pressure. When one tells these folks that there is no such thing as a "0" emission vehicle even if the electricity comes from a nuke because they are very dirty environmental problems with the mining of materials to make these things, you get looks of disbelief or are labeled as some type of "denier. "
EVs are being forced upon people and the companies that make them. It does not appear that the technology is really there to implement this type of transition on a massive scale, yet these points are often glossed over with other problems that the EVs have like excessive weight, range and in some cases problems getting insured. Good grief, an EV Hummer weighs in at 9000# lots of potential energy turning into kinetic energy if one of these things hits a Prius.
Porsche is being forced by the EU to change to EV s to stay in business, yet they will cling to an ICE 911 as long as possible. It will be interesting to see if Porsche's E-fuel idea gets traction.
Did you cut and paste talking points from Newsmax?
Tired old arguments and oversimplifications. But I understand, as it must be hard to see with your head buried so deep in the sand.
No I just took a clear eyed view of information that is available. I would be interested in you proving anything I said was wrong or are you just going to make an ad-hominem remark and disappear without adding anything useful?
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03-16-2023, 09:52 PM
Did you cut and paste talking points from Newsmax?