Originally Posted by Cole

I'm constantly amazed that Porsche enthusiast seem to the Porsche the company is also just an enthusiast. They're not, they're a business! They won't go out and spend millions of dollars to facelift something unless there is potential profit at the end of it. Otherwise they would go out of business.

Its pretty obvious when you look at the first generation Cayenne and the production numbers. There are almost 2x as many 2004 Cayennes than there are 2005 and 2006 COMBINED! (which is also the reason people get they perception that the 04 is less reliable since just by the shear numbers shops see them 2x as often)

Sales dropped huge from 04 to 05 and then so bad in 06 that Porache took all of 07 off to facelift the model and try to stimulate interest with a GTS option. They tried to stimulate sales in 06 with a Turbo S and a "Titainium Edition" S. but it wasn't enough.

I don't think the GTS and tts attract a different buyer at all. It's just an icing on the cake to try to make an already interested buyer stick by giving them more, newer, exclusive options. What it does is take a buyer that might have bought a 2-3 year old Turbo and give them a reason to spend on a new model. The buyer that wants a 500hp Porsche SUV is not a totally different buyer that wants a 550hp Porshe SUV or a 405 HP version for a little less money.

Originally Posted by Cole

Wtf are you talking about?

The Cherokee and the Grand Cherokee are completely different models. Their existance overlapped and the Cherokee was replaced by a new model called the Liberty.





This doesn't prove anything other than their refresh didn't stimulate enough sales.















Right like the E36 M3 that lasted 9 years with no refresh or the e46 M3 that lasted 6 years with no refresh. or the 6 year run of the z3 with no facelift.


Doesn't sound like any planned refreshes in there or seven year product cycles. Sounds like they Leo them as long as they an make money on the model.



Um....duh, it's to stimulate sales. But if a model is kicked *** you push off the refresh as long as you can. Only an idiot would make changes to something that is selling well and take the risk of it not being popular after the change. You only take those risks once the data at starts to show a decline in the current product.




Now your just talking jibberish. You have to pay designers, engineers, testers, marketing people, website people, printers, sales trainers, machinists, etc etc. it's probably 10 million bucks in payroll alone.

Lets look at what changed in the last Porsche Cayenne facelift.

-DFI MOTOR with more displacement. (Would that the below the headlights for you)
-PASM
-All new brakes for all modles
-headlights
-tail lights
-front fenders
-front bumper
-front bumper structural components.
-rear bumper
-new upholstery options
-new nav options
-new wheels
-new suspension control modules, new spring rates for GTS
-new rear spoilers
-new mirrors
-special body cladding.
-6 speed manual in the GTS
-different axle gear ratios were used.


Again, that is probably 10 million in just wages for all the people that took just to design, test and build the face lifted parts for production.

Originally Posted by endless_corners

Not sure we are getting the "butt job" we wanted here... Although there is a bunch of fake cladding on that rear shot.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/03/2...with-facelift/

Originally Posted by mudman2

Go back in history and look at what they have done over the years, until some of the cladding comes off and you get some sense of scale its pretty meaningless, I would have thought 2015 would be a decent change but maybe its just an adjust, ala 957

Originally Posted by rijowysock

i assume testing the Turbo 6 in that car.. the official release is june 2014 to then order as 2015 model year, the macan is set for may to get some sales prior to it's big brothers update.

Originally Posted by endless_corners

Actually those rear lights might be really different.. Because that whole rear is camo'd.