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I probably don’t, but I wanted to know where it would be located so I don’t have to pull out my head unit now and again when I get my new one. I don’t want to break the trim from repeatedly pulling it off.
Please give me the stereo model that you are installing
Hi, I have a 2004 CTT with bad navigation/stereo/DVD not working. Jonathan's link to the eBay no longer goes to the unit. So, which after market unit would replace the OEM system?
I found this one on eBay. Would this work? 7'' Car Android9.0 Stereo For Porsche Cayenne 2003-2010 Car DVD GPS Player Radio
I just need that would work with the existing Bose system in this CTT. Blue tooth with android and iPhone would be great. Pickup local AM/FM stations would be great. No DVD is needed, since I don't have any DVDs.
No navigation is fine, since I use my google map with my phone.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Thank you for your help!
Rick
I probably don’t, but I wanted to know where it would be located so I don’t have to pull out my head unit now and again when I get my new one. I don’t want to break the trim from repeatedly pulling it off.
The only discussions I have seen about amplifiers have been for the Bose system. That amplifier is in the trunk, right side, mounted on top of the CD changer. I don't know if any of the non-Bose systems have external amplifiers. When I didn't find the amplifier on top of the CD changer, like everyone says it is supposed to be, I searched all over the internet for possible alternative locations. Spent hours searching. Found nothing. It took less than 10 minutes to remove the OEM head unit and see the 8 speaker wires that were plugged into it.
In regards to breaking the trim? I have pulled mine off a bunch of times. The grey part separated from the black part. I just glued it back together, and have had no issues.
Thanks for the tips and ideas - I was able to work the wires up and to the right just enough finally get it pushed into place. Seems to be working well so far, nice to have something more modern in there that I can connect my phone to at last..
Hi Chrisbinsb,
Can you tell me what model and price of this after market display you installed successfully?
I have a 2004 CTT that looks like this with the original display that works intermittently.
Thank you,
Rick
Great info and huge thanks to OP for the info.
I just installed an Android in my 2008 GTS. But i didn't have a navigation or AMP to begin with, so i lost no functionality what so ever
I would like to give back in case others may need it and provide a little more info. Since my car came with what i think is called CD23? I had only one antenna input. So no need for the dual FAKRA adapter (sending mine back). Also my car still has fiber-optic even thought there is no CD changer or AMP.
I didn't think i had fiber-optic so i didn't buy the MOST adapter and **** my pants when i got in there. Almost stopped the install and went online to order one but then something told me to try it anyway and strangely enough everything works perfectly fine. I completely left fiber-optic unplugged and all is well. I don't think that it is being utilized in my car. Based on my experience with Benz, when its active one of the lines will have a faint red light. In my car nothing..... so i closed it up and left it hanging.
Phone works, Bluetooth music works, radio works but extremely poor reception. And i did connect blue antenna wire from adapter to the wiring harness so not sure what the issue is for now.
To add more info for others, i looked behind the removable panel in the back on the right side and the orange fiber-optic cable is just hanging there. i guess that's why disconnecting it at the radio was ok. I dont have an amp or anything that would normally come with a Nav system.
Thinking of upgrading my 2008 957 Cayenne head unit. There is alot of android units out there. However I have these two concerns:
1) What vendor do take care of their units and update them with latest Android unit etc? Feels like alot of "one hit wonders" releasing a unit getting old (from a software perspective) after a year.
Do you have any recommendations for vendors? I want a 9"+ unit with no physical buttons.
2) Does any units decode fuel consumptions etc? Or is the OBD way to go?
Thinking of upgrading my 2008 957 Cayenne head unit. There is alot of android units out there. However I have these two concerns:
1) What vendor do take care of their units and update them with latest Android unit etc? Feels like alot of "one hit wonders" releasing a unit getting old (from a software perspective) after a year.
Do you have any recommendations for vendors? I want a 9"+ unit with no physical buttons.
2) Does any units decode fuel consumptions etc? Or is the OBD way to go?
1. Android 10 is highest I've seen offered. I wouldn't plan on ever updating it. Seicane was tops for a while but I think all the sellers have pretty much the same thing now. If I were buying one today I'd probably get this one and the $75 MOST decoder.
I have another 9" one with no buttons at my house in Texas. New in box with MOST decoder same model I've been using. I'll sell it to you cheaply (like $150 shipped) if you can wait a month or two for next time I get to go home. It's Android 8.0 or 8.1.
2. What are you trying to decode exactly? The car has Miles Remaining built into instrument cluster just takes a few clicks to find. The tablets in theory should connect to obd but obd will drain battery if left plugged in 24/7. I just connect obd to my phone when I need to see something.
1. Android 10 is highest I've seen offered. I wouldn't plan on ever updating it. Seicane was tops for a while but I think all the sellers have pretty much the same thing now. If I were buying one today I'd probably get this one and the $75 MOST decoder.
I have another 9" one with no buttons at my house in Texas. New in box with MOST decoder same model I've been using. I'll sell it to you cheaply (like $150 shipped) if you can wait a month or two for next time I get to go home. It's Android 8.0 or 8.1.
2. What are you trying to decode exactly? The car has Miles Remaining built into instrument cluster just takes a few clicks to find. The tablets in theory should connect to obd but obd will drain battery if left plugged in 24/7. I just connect obd to my phone when I need to see something.
Thanks for your tips!
Isnt 8" inch with 1024*600 a little low, while I'm on it I will look into a higher res display? It does also look like older Android on pictures, I've read a lot of units comes with fake Android 10, a simple launcher/custom rom with edited Android version text. Don't ask me why...
I simply want to know if I there is a Android HU manufacturer who have managed to reverse engineer CAN data from original stereo harness. I like to watch the fuel consumption etc.
So far, i've read about this specifications: I'd like to "future proof" mine with PX6, in order to get custom firmwares. Also - 9" in vs 8" - most 9" screens seems to be 1024x600 resolution vs 8" inch 1280x800. Any ideas? It seems to be rare with PX6 + 9" with IPS/1280x800 screens with a Cayenne frame.
My notes so far: - PX30/ PX5 / PX6 seem to be able to get Android 10 (in order to use voice command steering - "hey google") - Malaysk's / Hal9k custom seem to be a popular ROM from xda-developer forum in order to get future updates and modern starters. - 8 or 9 inch+ (1280x800 on 8" vs 9" 1024x600) - choose size vs resolution (it seems, have not found any 9 inch with PX6 + 1280x800 pixels).
- Bluetooth 5.0 for most stable phone connections ((there is BT 3+4 units out there)
- DAB+ is required for me in Europe (digital radio receiver)
- MOST adapter is only needed for BOSE-systems (?)
- OWTOSIN system with PX6 and 8" seems very popular in the Porsche 996/997 with PCM 2.1 (same as my Cayenne). However, the seller have no Cayenne frame with this unit.
Thinking of upgrading my 2008 957 Cayenne head unit. There is alot of android units out there. However I have these two concerns:
1) What vendor do take care of their units and update them with latest Android unit etc? Feels like alot of "one hit wonders" releasing a unit getting old (from a software perspective) after a year.
Do you have any recommendations for vendors? I want a 9"+ unit with no physical buttons.
2) Does any units decode fuel consumptions etc? Or is the OBD way to go?
In my opinion, Android OS updates for a head unit, haven't really done much for the operation of the head unit since Android 5. With Android 5, you started seeing fastboot/autosleep option, so that the head unit turned on as soon as you turned on your car. Other than that, I haven't seen any major benefits of having the newer OS on a head unit. With phones, the newer OS was needed for hardware improvements(fingerprint scan, Iris scan, etc.). No major hardware improvements to headunits that actually require newer OS. The amount of RAM and ROM is more important than the OS version.
I was using a bluetooth ODB scantool that I kept plugged into my ODB port. There are several apps(Torque, Dash Commnand, etc.) that you can use. I was using them on all three of my cars. The option to view fuel consumption is there, but I don't know how accurate it is, because I never really cared about it. A month or so ago, I switched to another device, that plugs into the ODB port and the viewing screen is mounted on the dash. It saves me the time of needing to start the app on my phone, and connect to the ODB scanner via bluetooth. This one does fuel consumption, but I have no idea how accurate it is.
In my opinion, Android OS updates for a head unit, haven't really done much for the operation of the head unit since Android 5. With Android 5, you started seeing fastboot/autosleep option, so that the head unit turned on as soon as you turned on your car. Other than that, I haven't seen any major benefits of having the newer OS on a head unit. With phones, the newer OS was needed for hardware improvements(fingerprint scan, Iris scan, etc.). No major hardware improvements to headunits that actually require newer OS. The amount of RAM and ROM is more important than the OS version.
I was using a bluetooth ODB scantool that I kept plugged into my ODB port. There are several apps(Torque, Dash Commnand, etc.) that you can use. I was using them on all three of my cars. The option to view fuel consumption is there, but I don't know how accurate it is, because I never really cared about it. A month or so ago, I switched to another device, that plugs into the ODB port and the viewing screen is mounted on the dash. It saves me the time of needing to start the app on my phone, and connect to the ODB scanner via bluetooth. This one does fuel consumption, but I have no idea how accurate it is. https://www.amazon.com/Lzcat-Speedom...934344&sr=8-13
Thanks! I think it has happened quite a lot with Android versions, especially UI improvements, Google Assistant/voice, Android Auto built in, notifications areas sync features etc. Also apps from Google Play does not support all old Android versions. Also want to keep it updated for security reasons, since I want my connected to the internet.
The best alternative going with a new HU seems to be keeping it up to date with root/custom ROMs. Not even players like Alpine, Sony keeps them updated.
Thanks for the tip! Does it power off automatically some how? Drained my BMWs battery with a ODB scanner a couple of times, when I forgot to unplug it :-)
Thanks! I think it has happened quite a lot with Android versions, especially UI improvements, Google voice, Android Auto, notifications/sync features etc. Also apps from Google Play does not support all old Android versions. Also want to keep it updated for security reasons, since I want my connected to the internet.
The best alternative going with a new HU seems to be keeping it up to date with root/custom ROMs. Not even players like Alpine, Sony keeps them updated.
Thanks for the tip! Does it power off automatically some how? Drained my BMWs battery with a ODB scanner a couple of times, when I forgot to unplug it :-)
I am talking about improvements in regards to what you would actually use on your head unit, not on your phone.
1. Google Voice has been around for at least 10 years. Unless you are talking about Google Assist, in which case that has been around for 4 years(since Android 6).
2. Android Auto? Why would you use Android Auto, when any Android app you want to use can be installed on the head unit? Seems redundant to me.
3. I don't know what notification and sync features that have changed, that would be important for a head unit. Many of the features changed/available on your phone, are not available on the head unit, because they won't be used/aren't applicable.
4. Google play is supported on any device running Android 5 or above. You won't find any new Android head units running anything older than Android 7. In fact, a quick search on Amazon and Aliexpress, I can't find any units that come with anything older than Android 8.
5. You won't get any OTA updates on head units. I have seen universal Android units made by Joying or AutoPumpkin occasionally have updates available for upload, but most manufacturers don't. If updates are important to you, then I would suggest going to the XDA-developer website, then download and install a custom ROM. I have never been concerned about it myself. I don't keep any banking, credit card apps, etc. on my head unit, and have never had any security breaches/concerns in the 5 years I have been using Android OS head units in all the cars I have owned.
ODB:
1. The bluetooth version goes to sleep once the vehicle has been turned off. The voltage used while sleeping is not enough to drain your battery. I have left mine plugged in for as long as two weeks while on vacation, and the car started right up.
2. The hard wired one with the display mounted on the dash, turns off completely, as soon as you turn off the car. I switched to the hardwired one, because I like not having to turn on my bluetooth and starting the app every time I get in the car.
XTRONS 9" android unit. How I was able to connect the MOST box loose wires for my 957 with Bose. Yellow (batt +) to yellow at the power harness, black (gnd) to black at the power harness, red (ACC+) to blue (Amp-con) on the power harness. Both Amp-Con wires need to be plugged into each other (not shown) before putting everything back together. I was only able to connect 1 of the 2 FM antennas and it seems to be working fine. Easy install if you have the right wire taps.
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I may have bit off more than I can chew due to various factory audio options in these vehicles but we'll see where this goes!
*****INCOMPLETE POST*****APPROXIMATELY 40% FINISHED AS OF 10/06/18***** Factory camera wiring instructions added 01/06/19
Still need to finish text, finish editing videos, link steps to minutes of video, draw diagrams, choose pictures and diagrams, and credit contributors of solutions from prior threads.
Planning to finish the 955 portion 100% before continuing the 996 portion.
Posting this now because some items have long shipping lead times if people seek to minimize cost. I wish I narrated this in such a way to make the video only 10 minutes but I didn’t plan a script of what I would say and shoot… Lessons learned for next time I make a tutorial on something.
This post applies to 2003-2010 Porsche Cayennes and 1999-2005 Porsche 911 996. I am merging all info and videos into one monster OP so that people with other Porsche models can extrapolate other helpful information for similar installs in their own Pcars.
Disclaimer: Safety first. Proceed at your own risk to yourself and your vehicle and equipment.
Difficulty level: Was a 4/5 when the information was not centralized but hoping this post brings it down to a 2/5 if you don't have to run wires for aftermarket backup camera.
I've installed Android 8.0 head units in my 06 CTT, 06 CTTS, and 01 996 thanks to the information I picked up in 9" Android Radio Install Review thread and similar threads such as....INSERT THREADS. I will now concentrate all the important info here for everyone interested in installing their own but hesitant about proceeding.
First the obligatory photos of vehicles:
The Titanium 2006 Cayenne Turbo is for sale here.
CTT and CTTS important details going in are PCM, factory backup camera, and Bose package (which communicates via fiber optic MOST).
996 important details going in are non-Bose, Becker radio w/ cupholders up top and CD changer w/ climate down low. People with climate up top may need other parts and can find this discussed at length elsewhere INSERT LINK.
HEAD UNITS :
There are a number of options out there. Some have *****, some have buttons, some have front slots, some have front mics, some are touch only. The most important factors to me were front mic (no need to run mic wire) and Android 8.0. I don't think the OS is easily updated so I wanted the latest available.
If you have a 955 with Bose then you need MOST box. Some ebay auctions include it and some don't. Some give option to pay them ~$75 extra to include it.
I recommend the Android units advertised specifically for the 955 because they are shaped to fit perfectly flush in the dash and steering wheel controls are all mapped and CANbus typically included.
The CTT head unit specs are 1024*600 screen, Android 8.0, PX5 Octa Core+, 4GB RAM, 32GB Flash
955 INSTALLATION :
YouTube Video part 1 (7m21s) discusses disassembly, FM radio, and GPS YouTube Video part 1
955 Step 1: Turn on car, turn Porsche head unit volume to maximum, and turn car off. (thanks to user hgupta for this suggestion)
955 Step 2: Remove head unit trim with nylon pry bar. Don't break it because replacements are $200+. If the aluminum colored trim separates from the black plastic (one of mine did) you can epoxy it back together and use painters tape and C-clamps to ensure it stays completely together until it bonds.
955 Step 3: Remove Porsche PCM head unit and unplug everything.
955 Step 4: Attach Y-split Fakra to factory radio Fakra females (black and brown). Attach video RCA adapter to factory camera Fakra (green). Attach CANbus to android power harness. Attach Android power harness to factory power and CANbus harnesses. Attach factory fiberoptic connectors to MOST box if you have Bose.
955 Step 5 (optional): Run aftermarket backup camera if you don't have a factory one. Attach SPDT relay if you DO have factory backup camera. Route USB and Aux cables as desired. I have heard 3G is pretty awful on these so I only ran data USB cable.
SPDT theory of operation: The relay operates (switch changes position) when there is 12V across the coil. Without the 12V on the coil, contacts 87a and 30 are connected to each other. When 12V is applied to coil, it is contacts 87 and 30 that are connected.
SPDT wiring instructions:
86 RELAY COIL IN spliced to the orange REVERSE IN wire on the android power harness.
85 RELAY COIL OUT and contact 30 spliced to each other and ground.
The factory camera motor operates to pop out the camera when the blue wire on the porsche factory power harness is grounded.
Blue wire on Porsche factory harness connects to 87 contact.
Nothing connects to 87a contact.
955 Step 6: Run Android head unit GPS to dead space top center of dash. Remove A/C vents first to check for screws and to help route the wire. Unscrew screws if present then remove upper speaker vent. Dremel a notch in the edge so the GPS wire doesn't interfere with speaker vent sitting flush. User levdeb kindly informed me with a helpful photo that some Cayennes have two screws holding the upper speaker vent and those cannot be simply pried off like mine in the video.
955 Step 7: Soldering time. Connect and solder MOST wires for Ground, ACC, and 12V.
MOST ground splices into Android harness ground wire. Add another splice at same time for a ground lug and/or other device grounds.
MOST ACC wire connects to blue AMPCON wire on Android head unit speaker output harness.
MOST BATT 12V wire splices to Android head unit power harness power wire.
MOST RCA wires connect to FRONT OUT L and FRONT OUT R of the Android head unit speaker output harness.
Connect and solder the blue power wire of the split Fakra antenna amplifier to the blue ANT wire on Android head unit speaker output harness.
955 Step 7 Troubleshooting:
Power up the car to test that you have sound. After connecting your phone via bluetooth go to HOME on the head unit and swipe to A2DP app. Alternatively plug in to the AUX input or insert a flash drive into the USB media cable and browse to your music.
In the event that you wired the MOST but can't get any sounds through the car's speakers from head unit, user hgupta suggested bypassing the Android head unit and plugging a low volume audio source into the MOST box directly using something like this $1.50 adapter in order to verify if your problem is MOST or head unit. To Be Continued...
I believe the following quoted info applies to all three install kits linked above. Adding 996 Part 3 should allow for compatibility with option 680 HiFi audio system and maybe others..
Taken from Suncoast Double Din conversion kit:
"1999-2001 models - Compatible with the standard radio (CDR220) and standard radio (CDR220) with BOSE, or HiFi Sound Systems. Not compatible with cars with PCM radios AND option 680 (HiFi Audio System or BOSE M680 - you will have to create your own speaker wiring).
2002 models - Compatible with all radios.
For 2003-04 models - Due to the MOST fiber optic system, you may need to bypass/replace the factory amplifier for BOSE and HiFi audio systems."
996 Installation : To Be Continued after finishing 955...
Hello,
Are you running a wire from the fuse box to the head unit for switched power?
I don’t have any switched power in the plug on my 955.
thanks