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Old 10-17-2016, 01:59 PM   #91
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I have an early 2005, 987 (Boxster) and on 10/10/16 I had an IMS failure. Here are the details:
- Purchased the car new on June 21, 2005, now i- has 21,466 miles.
- Do my own oil changes and treat them like a ritual... every year. Use Mobile One 0-40, cut filter open check with a magnet. On 4/9/14, at 17,037 miles, I installed a LN magnetic plug and their Spin-on-Filter.
- Last oil change was on 4/15/16 at 19,862 miles... I still have the cut-open "clean" filter.
- Driving habits are spirited, but respectful...long trips mostly...always get the car warmed up.
- Received paper work for the Class Action Law Suit...my car fit the parameters. However, I don't know if I'm in the Class Action or not. I never filed a IMS claim and got a letter from the lawyers that said I don't get any money because I had no claim. The car is just over 11 years old...if this failure would have happened on June 20, 2015 (making it under 10 years old), I believe it would have been fully covered.
- Failure happened on the highway, I sort of felt something in my butt...parked the car not knowing there was a problem, saw oil under it when I came out, but didn't really think it was mine...went to start the car and heard a terrible "rattle"! I shut it down immediately and called a tow truck.
- Car is at the dealer, the drain plug looks like a "Chia Pet", only with metal hair. Not 100% sure that it is an IMS failure but everybody thinks so...I think it is too. Waiting for Porsche's top mechanic to look at it and confirm.

I know this thread is for 996/997 owners but I'm thinking they both have the same IMS as my 987, and are experiencing the same problem. This thread is really detailed, and has gotten good responses from some pretty smart people so I though I'd throw the problem out to you guys. Let me know if there's anyplace else I might post it.

What should I do? I'm just sick about this! I've always owned at least one Porsche since I came back from overseas in 1975 (four 911's and a 914...I tend to hold onto them for a while...the 914 I had for almost twenty years), and have always done most of my own work. However, this is my first new Porsche. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Hello:

I have an early 2005, 987 (Boxster) and on 10/10/16 I had an IMS failure. Here are the details:
- Purchased the car new on June 21, 2005, now i- has 21,466 miles.
Classic low mileage example of IMS Bearing failure.

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- Do my own oil changes and treat them like a ritual... every year. Use Mobile One 0-40, cut filter open check with a magnet. On 4/9/14, at 17,037 miles, I installed a LN magnetic plug and their Spin-on-Filter.
Unfortunately that's not frequent enough... Despite what the owner's manual says, and now you know that after experiencing what you have.

- Last oil change was on 4/15/16 at 19,862 miles... I still have the cut-open "clean" filter.
>>>>Classic, this is why a filter inspection alone is NOT enough. This further proves what I have been stating for a decade; that an IMS Bearing can fail, progressing through all 4 stages of failure in a single oil service interval.

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- Driving habits are spirited, but respectful...long trips mostly...always get the car warmed up.
But too long of a warm up period keeps the engine on "cold start enrichment" longer, dumping excess fuel in the cylinders. A portion of that goes by the rings, and into the oil, where it ends up as fuel intrusion into the oil supply.

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- Received paper work for the Class Action Law Suit...my car fit the parameters. However, I don't know if I'm in the Class Action or not. I never filed a IMS claim and got a letter from the lawyers that said I don't get any money because I had no claim. The car is just over 11 years old...if this failure would have happened on June 20, 2015 (making it under 10 years old), I believe it would have been fully covered.
Thats a shame.. You are one of the few that had a perfect case.

NONE of my customers that were truly eligible have received anything from the case, since the settlement was later challenged by Porsche.

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- Failure happened on the highway, I sort of felt something in my butt...parked the car not knowing there was a problem, saw oil under it when I came out, but didn't really think it was mine...went to start the car and heard a terrible "rattle"! I shut it down immediately and called a tow truck.
If it happened at speed you can expect all the exhaust valves to be bent, one, or both scavenge pumps to have failed 9from debris ingestion) and the IMS shaft to be toast. All pistons will have experienced valve contact. Collateral damage from foreign object debris will be extensive.

BUT, it can be saved, and I am saving one today. Full disassembly and ultrasonic cleaning, and its back together in 4 days.

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- Car is at the dealer, the drain plug looks like a "Chia Pet", only with metal hair. Not 100% sure that it is an IMS failure but everybody thinks so...I think it is too. Waiting for Porsche's top mechanic to look at it and confirm.
I'll bet that it is... BUT don't let them disassemble it until you are sure that you want them to do the repairs.. Other shops (including mine) won't touch it if they pull it apart, BUT if they take it apart, you must also pay them to reassemble it before you can get the car back. This is true even if they reassemble all the blown up parts with our repairing it. Thats something you learn later- not now.

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I know this thread is for 996/997 owners but I'm thinking they both have the same IMS as my 987, and are experiencing the same problem. This thread is really detailed, and has gotten good responses from some pretty smart people so I though I'd throw the problem out to you guys. Let me know if there's anyplace else I might post it.
Exact same components.

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What should I do? I'm just sick about this! I've always owned at least one Porsche since I came back from overseas in 1975 (four 911's and a 914...I tend to hold onto them for a while...the 914 I had for almost twenty years), and have always done most of my own work. However, this is my first new Porsche. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
I know a guy you can call.. He can repair this blindfolded, and at 21K miles, don't let that engine get away!:bigeye:

Dealing with a failure like this is nothing around here... It cost some money, but put it back together with my IMS Solution, and you'll not be making a post like this one in the future.

I found a broken M96 powered Porsche for my Mother- in law a couple of months ago. It was also a classic low mileage car that had an IMS Bearing failure. I pulled the engine apart last Wednesday, and I am re- installing the cylinder heads today after the full repair has been done. Here's some pics of her failure. This isn't the end of the world, unless you let it be......


















Reassembly started on Friday, all components cleaned of debris via ultrasonics, and all collateral damage taken care of. Fitted with an IMS Solution.



Where it stands this morning... Waiting on my cylinder head tech to finish the heads, they should be on before midnight, tonight.... Should be running Wednesday...
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Old 10-17-2016, 04:39 PM   #93
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Thanks for the response:

Well the dealer says they want $630 to take the trans out so they can tell if it's an IMS failure or not...then double it if I want to them to put it back together. If it's an IMS failure they present the information to Porsche and I try to get some "Goodwill" which would be a percent of parts off. I just hate having, the manufacture of what is clearly a defective engine, gain more business rebuilding their mistake...good business if you can get it. Here's my thinking:

- Not sure if it's worth the gamble to have them tell me it's IMS and ask for the "Goodwill". If they told me..."If IMS, this is what we'll do for you"...that would give me a lot more info. Lets say they give 50% off a new engine...that would give a bit more info.

- If they take it apart I might tell them..."just keep the trans out...I'll bring the car home and remove the engine myself ( it will take me more time then them, but I don't charge $135 and hour). Then my options spread out a bit:

Option A) Buy a good used engine.

Option B) Buy a rebuilt motor already.

Option C) Have my current engine rebuilt. Who would do this (I'm located in Southwestern Ohio). Who's the person I should to call that would do the rebuild? I'm afraid rebuilding the engine myself is above my pay grade.

Option D) Which of the IMS solutions do you believe will keep this from happening again? I believe my engine, an early 2005 is a single row type...which solution is the way to go with this?

Thanks again for your help
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Well the dealer says they want $630 to take the trans out so they can tell if it's an IMS failure or not...then double it if I want to them to put it back together. If it's an IMS failure they present the information to Porsche and I try to get some "Goodwill" which would be a percent of parts off.
Classic. Straight from the script.

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I just hate having, the manufacture of what is clearly a defective engine, gain more business rebuilding their mistake...good business if you can get it. Here's my thinking:
The engines were supposed to be used, and thrown away. Like a Bic lighter.

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- Not sure if it's worth the gamble to have them tell me it's IMS and ask for the "Goodwill". If they told me..."If IMS, this is what we'll do for you"...that would give me a lot more info. Lets say they give 50% off a new engine...that would give a bit more info.
I can pretty much tell you exactly what you will be told. It comes from the next paragraph of the script I mentioned earlier.

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- If they take it apart I might tell them..."just keep the trans out...I'll bring the car home and remove the engine myself ( it will take me more time then them, but I don't charge $135 and hour). Then my options spread out a bit:
Once they remove it, then they have you... Like a fish hooked on the line.

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Option A) Buy a good used engine.
Good luck, thats an M96.25 and is very hard to find. A good used engine really does;t exist these days, most have been patched up by dismantlers, sold as used.

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Option B) Buy a rebuilt motor already.
Maybe from RND Engines www.rndengines.com on an exchange basis.

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Option C) Have my current engine rebuilt. Who would do this (I'm located in Southwestern Ohio). Who's the person I should to call that would do the rebuild? I'm afraid rebuilding the engine myself is above my pay grade.
Ship the whole car to Georgia...

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Option D) Which of the IMS solutions do you believe will keep this from happening again? I believe my engine, an early 2005 is a single row type...which solution is the way to go with this?
There's only one IMS Solution
www.theimssolution.com

Its the one that has the wear parts removed... But, the Inventor is an *******. :-)

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Sure... We should set up a time to chat. There's lots of info that I can't share here.
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