nuclearfishin

I will concede that, you probably have MANY more runs. I was mostly referring to runs in a 997.1tt. I wish more people around here had multiple runs in their cars for data comparison before and after. It sure would make the conversation on upgrades more interesting versus bench runs all the time.

I agree 100% here. I have a PhD in systems engineering so was very thorough in my numbers and testing, but I would like to see similar test numbers on the EP. I bought the FS at a steal so was willing to take a chance, but if somebody produces reliable tests on a different system, I'm definitely not opposed to switching, I'm just not going to do it based on their "butt" dyno perception.

garychios

Hey everyone. New Turbo Porsche Owner, but not new to the game.

So here are my comments. Oh, and who am I? I have built (not bought) 1100 WHP AWD four cylinder cars over and over for over 15 years. I broke some records in early 2000 with small ball bearing turbos making ridiculous power. I have owned a 993 and now recently a 997.2 turbo which will remain stock.

Now some information and my thoughts......

The Delta P (Pressure) between the turbine blade will govern overall forced induction performance. With that said, A good exhaust will not make 180 degree turns, use packing etc. Now its true I don't run cats on any of the race cars I have built or help built, but this whole cat thing and fab speed thing is a big joke. With a Cobb tune, you can run straight pipes and a simple exhaust system. You can have a well qualified fabricator make the system for much less from what I am seeing all these companies charge for one. I would buy some 304 SST stainless (Which turns light gold when heated and looks awesome) from SPD in California and have all this done for half the price and not have a hack exhaust which I have seen personally from the off the shelf stuff. Why is it that Fabspeed has an x pipe design with a opening between? Turbo cars do not need x pipes with cross overs. They dont run tuned exhaust like a NA car. That actually hurts performance. I for one, wont understand why anyone is listening to these clowns with their made up claims.


Also, the guy in the video with the crazy man hair should go out an buy a folding table and at least explain things like a human being and not be fetching stuff off the floor.


If you want a good exhaust, make it yourself, because the off the shelf stuff is a joke. Guys like Eddie Bello, and all the serious cars are not running Fab speed etc. They are running at lot better stuff, for less money and less made up claims.

Regards

-Gary

phillipj

Gary I have to agree. I have a friend who built his own exhaust for his TT. Taught himself how to TIG weld on You Tube! He did a beautiful job and it is one of the best catless exhausts I have ever heard on a 997 TT. Not for everyone definitely.

But like Tom says the 997 TT design is 7 years old. Yet the AM companies still want a huge premium for the design. That I guess is the Porsche premium.

Congrats to all those who are happy with there EP's. No congrats to Joe who made a real fool out of himself and has hurt his business in a big way.

I am probably the only one here with a Tech Art system. I like it but wish it was louder. But I don't dislike enough to swap it for another one..

Leo997TT

+1

Lol exactly.... Fabspeed is a joke and Joe is a clown.... He should wear shoes and get a haircut next time he decide to make another stupid video.

moacur

Wait - now they're the #2 buyer of the HJS cats and not the # 1

Also -

" No droning. All welded and crafted here in the United states out of premium products that we assemble from different parts of the globe " LOL

neanicu

I will not comment anything regarding the debate on this matter,but I have to say this guy is entertaining. I had a blast watching him!
If you have more videos,please post,this is way better than Saturday Night Live!

atcbi5

Snake oil is an expression that originally referred to fraudulent health products or unproven medicine but has come to refer to any product with questionable or unverifiable quality or benefit. By extension, a snake oil salesman is someone who knowingly sells fraudulent goods or who is himself or herself a fraud, quack, charlatan, and the like. This sums everything up. Obviously just about everyone on this forum has some education and judgement and the ability to read thru BS. If I had $4500.00, I would not even buy the EP. They all sound like crap on a TT engine. You want sound buy a Lambo, GT3 etc. the turbo sounds like **** and you guys know it. It is what it is.

nzskater

Is it possible that these are actually being made by someone else to hurt Fabspeed? Genuine question. I can't believe they (FS) would be doing this intentionally.

nzskater

The solution to finding the truth just came to me: We need to X-Ray Joe! Surely there are pins in there somewhere.

garychios

Snake Oil. Great Choice of words. Hahaha.

On that note, on a Porsche NA car, I cannot comment as the car would need a well built exhaust to make the 2-3 HP if that additional HP.

On a Turbo car, its a whole other game, and I know for a fact that the off the shelf stuff that I have seen like Fab Speed is a joke. They are selling snake oil.

garychios

Oh wow, another video, but he has a table this time. But wait..... he is talking about a cat again (like he never has before). He is talking about the pins again. He is talking about Cats that cause check engine lights again. OMG.

The X Pipe helps the engine talk on each side? Do these guys know about making power? Or know NA Mustangs from the 80's? WTH?

moacur

You'd think that if he was so proud of his own products.. his video would look more like this.. Wouldn't you just want to show your own products and how proud of them you are, instead of doing the complete opposite?!

http://www.networka.com/stories/3917...n-garage-tours

Leo997TT

^^^^ agree lol

TT Surgeon

I think this thread has run it's course....

John@Fabspeed

I’d like to take a moment to address some of the various comments here. First and foremost, as an employee of Fabspeed, I take great pride in the products that we develop and manufacture. Fabspeed Motorsport is – and always has been – a company run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts. Everyone is of course welcome to their opinions, but if you ask any of the 30+ employees that work here, they will all echo that sentiment.

This video was made by Joe (the founder and owner of Fabspeed) to illustrate some of the design differences between the Europipe system and our own system for the 997 Turbo. We as a company have no hard feelings against Europipe, or any other manufacturer. However, all manufacturers make their products differently, and Joe felt it would be beneficial to share with the community some of the possible shortcomings of the Europipe system. Joe is a very passionate and knowledgeable enthusiast, which certainly comes across in the video. That being said, our intention is not to bash any of our competitors. The intention was purely to educate the enthusiast community based on what we found after performing x-ray testing on this particular Europipe 997 GT2 1 piece system.

Unfortunately, this video was posted before we were able to post it up ourselves with a qualifying write-up explaining the intentions behind it and a breakdown of the points that Joe was trying to make with the x-rays and his logical explanations. As such, it was understandably taken out of context, and interpreted purely as a bash-fest. Unfortunately, Speed21 has made a lot of posts speaking negatively about Fabspeed and trashing our products in comparison to Europipe and others. Joe had an opportunity to look a bit closer at the Europipe system, and wanted to lay everything out on the table and bring some of the possible disadvantages to light by displaying how the Europipe was constructed via pictures and video.

At the end of the day, Fabspeed is a company comprised of passionate enthusiasts just like the rest of you. We go to great lengths to design and manufacture performance parts that we are proud of. We’re not some fly-by-night operation that’s just tacking together some steel and slapping a price tag on it. We are here to support the community and bring products to market that we would be proud to install on our own vehicles. Ultimately, it is the consumer’s decision as to which system they purchase or endorse, but we will always continue to do our best to educate the community regarding how we design our own products and how they compare to the other options on the market.

Evan