am722

That's obvious, since the old engine has been around for 2 decades, but the people who automatically assume that anything new will not be as good (not saying you are one, but they are out there) are kidding themselves.

Land Jet

Porsche has always been about innovation and pushing forward. Don't get stuck in the 993 mentality.

TT Surgeon

I don't think it's a 993 mentallity, the water cooled gt1 derrived engine is 12/24hr endurance race tested, basically unbreakable. The new lump does have a lot to prove, it has a very tough act to follow, kinda like little Richard going on the Ed Sullivan show after Elvis, I believe Elvis' quote to LR was something to the effect "top that ######". Top that 9A1, I'm from Missouri, show me.
The only reason the are putting that motor in TTs and GT cars is the massive price saaving, of course the consumer won't see that savings (20k/car).

TT Gasman

When they start racing with the 9A1 i'll jump onboard the bandwagon.

boolala

I would imagine many people were saying exactly the same thing when the M64 first came out.

They were proven wrong and, I'm confidant, so will you.

Land Jet

Has anyone heard of any plans by Porsche to race the new engine?

TT Surgeon

Yes, it's currently being tested by several US teams. I believe PMS was at RA last week looking at these, no idea of outcome.

911rox

If anyone is doubting the M64/GT1 product even though it may be 2 decades old, please remember what is running in all the latest motorsport vehicles from Porsche including the Cups, RSRs and even the new 997.2 GT3 (which was long rumoured to get the 9A1)... These are the cars most prone to the extremes of track use and the 9A1 has not found its way into the *** end of any of these... I think this fact answers everybody's question on which engine Porsche motorsport engineers consider the stronger alternative despite the marketing spin and hype from the marketing department... the 9A1 is about increasing Porsche's profits and not about improved products- case closed for now, i'd say...

Land Jet

Am I the only one who thinks that 40% fewer moving parts is a good thing? Also it's not like the race teams never blow up GT1 engines. And they rebuild them often. I'm not anti GT1, because I drive one.

TT Gasman

When Porsche lines them up at the Le Mans starting grid what's under the hood?
'nuff said

texas911

Not the production engine we get in our cars.

ltc

You're right.
The M96 and its RMS is a fantastic engine

ltc

If you only knew.....

911rox

A couple things to note:

- the new 9A1 motor has 40% fewer parts than the regular M97 motor it replaced, no comparison has been made to the GT1 block to my knowledge...

- Your run of the mill GT1 motor comes with approx 500hp give/take in a turbo/gt2, tuners out there are extracting close to 1000hp from the same engine with relative reliability... will the new motor allow the same?

- teams do rebuild gt1 motors, this what they were primarily designed for. Even the cylinder liners can be unbolted and replaced. Can the new motor offer the same benefits?- not likely as it is a traditional cast block, so more parts isn't always worse....

-General concensus is that whatever is used by the motorsport division would have to be considered the best motor or they wouldnt use it for racing or 24 hr enduros and the unit they continue to use is the M64/GT1 engine... Thats gotta mean more then any marketing rubbish Porsche spin...

Land Jet

I guess time will tell whether it's just an engine or a great engine. Can't argue with the points you made.