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That is obvious in the dealer online photos! They must have replaced the rear carpet as i looked specifically in back and saw no cuts other than the two factory symmetrical flaps on the vertical face...
The CGT/row euro GT3 clubsport seats sit a bit more upright in the backrest, at least to me than the 997 GT2 buckets that fold. The ones I sat in had Recaro mounts, I believe, so that may be adjustable, or you may sit slightly different with stock brackets. However, the club sport seats sit lower than the GT2 folding buckets. To answer your question, yes, from the limited time I spent in a set, they are comfortable enough, but not as comfortable as the 918/991.2 GT3 seats that are height adjustable.
The CGT seats are more narrow though than any of the above seats I mentioned. I am 6'5", 190lbs or so and I definitely am a tighter fit in those seats than the GT2 seats. But the GT2 seats are just a no go for me due to the height. Like I've mentioned, I have yet to experience them with lowering brackets and thinner foam, which may allow me to fit in them. 918 seats are my favorite out of all of them.
If you didn't like the CGT seats, those were not the original seats that came in the car, so you could always get a set of the manual sport seats. The only challenge you're going to have is finding them with orange stitching, although you could always get that redone, I am guessing.
That car looks like it has front grille screens, Escort radar detector and laser jammer, the painted front lip, cage, radio delete and the seats. The seats are about $10-15k on the used market, so if you don't like them, you'll have little issue selling them. I'm guessing those being in perlon are worth even more.
thanks @Bxstr I think the manual seats would be best even if as a backup. I noticed there is no DME report but I assume it has seen the pavement of a track on a regular basis so probably not gonna be squeaky clean. Always wonder why they don’t post DME; there is high probability that it will come up in the sales process and save them 50 emails
thanks @Bxstr I think the manual seats would be best even if as a backup. I noticed there is no DME report but I assume it has seen the pavement of a track on a regular basis so probably not gonna be squeaky clean. Always wonder why they don’t post DME; there is high probability that it will come up in the sales process and save them 50 emails
As you may already know, the DME on a 997 GT3 is a bit different than other models. Redline is 8400, range 1 starts at 9k. So you would have to have a mechanical over rev by shifting early in order to register a range 1 over rev. So there are plenty of track cars with clean DME's out there, just have to not shift early. My knowledge of this came from Switchcars, in order to give credit from where I got the info.
Agree though that dealers should provide a DME report right away, but there are some buyers that aren't spending time on Rennlist, that may not know what a DME is. Less likely on a 997 GT3, but on a normal Cayman/911, most buyers probably don't know. So then they would have to figure out what to offer a DME report up front on vs not offer one on. I also think that dealers should offer paint meter readings on these cars right away, but that is just because I have spent too much time on Rennlist and these are the first questions I would ask to correctly price a car, since this is what people are looking for when they are buying/selling a car.
Black car with orange graphics had a sequential shifter on it, which most likely held a lot of buyers back. Also, there was talk that the car was a bit crusty/rusty underneath.
Also, as people have said, one car does not dictate the market, so this one car I would not use as an indicator of the market, but I also would not use the black car with orange graphics with the sequential shifter as dictating the market.
My reasons for buying this one are a lot like what has been posted above with respect to the Speed Yellow 997.
Paid right on $70k. Managed to squeeze them for a 20k mile service and wrapped the front end in Xpel. I feel like I got an 'ok' deal.
Car checked out with an independent PPI. DME still clean, just the 2 solitary range 1 ignitions many hundreds of hours ago. Average speed was close to 35mph when I did the math. For those that are interested, a Foxwell NT530 reads 997.1 GT3 DME and codes and can do a whole lot of other cool reading and programming. I know because I double-checked the DME personally before I took delivery to make sure there were no Ferris Bueller type joyrides once I'd signed on the line. Any damage on the Carfax has been fixed, yes there's paintwork but all the panels are tidy and straight, as is underneath. I even trawled through all the track photos from the dates two months prior to the damage report and can't find any pics of the car on the track. Anyway, she's got CCWs and new NT01s now and the alignment to the specs posted on this board was done without issue.
Edit: I should add that the coolant lines were already pinned and the PCCB rotors were swapped out with Girodiscs with plenty of life left on them.
I emailed a previous RL owner (the one who put the majority of the miles on it) and chatted a bit about the car. He was very forthcoming and that was also helpful.
For me, $70k is all I'm going to be able to spend on a car at this stage in my life - we only moved here relatively recently and we are getting used to how it works here (saving for a house and daaaaaaang school is expensive - I pay more for my kids preschool than I did for my medical degree - seriously).
I had been bitten by the HPDE bug and I was worried that my 997.1 C2S wasn't up to the task of lapping on hot days on R compound tires (cooling, oil-starvation, required suspension upgrades, IMS, etc). I realized that by the time I got the Carrera to where I wanted it, I'd be into it close to, or more than 70k.
This was my 'value buy' into GT car ownership. And to date I haven't regretted it one bit. Every single drive is an absolute occasion, I go out of my way to find on-ramps and tunnels. The car is so much more than the sum of its parts. Everywhere I go I get thumbs up and people asking me about it. Never got that in the Carrera!
Depreciation? Previous damage? I don't care to be honest. No way I'm ever selling this car. My 3yo son is already obsessed with it. He has his own set of plastic tools and loves to 'help me' bleed brakes, etc.
This car was always a halo car for me, and they are $250k back home in Australia so no way I was getting one back home. If we go back home then it's coming with me.
To date I've put in fresh Motul oil and brake fluid (those will be changed frequently regardless of miles), wheel studs, added in my 996 Euro buckets and Rennline fire extinguisher, and put a Transit Blu Bluetooth for the phone. The parts were all take-offs from the previous car so haven't cost me anything.
Recently did the Wevo engine mounts and have some Cantrell transmission mounts coming too. All DIY stuff. Clark has some Ferodo pads and caliper studs coming because the stock pads are somewhat anemic.
So, here's another data point for the investors. What can't be quantified is the fun factor. I can't see how I would enjoy a 10k mile car more. This ticks all my boxes and will be driven for many more happy and hard miles until Alex at Sharkwerks does my 3.9.
Hopefully see you out there - foothills to Thunderhill!
Anyone follow @moonmilesgt3 on Instagram? He has 170k miles on his 997.1 GT3 and counting. How's that for an outlier?
I’m actually surprised it couldn’t go lower than 70k with the history and condition. Either way, once eyes are locked on..., well they’re locked on.
you like the process of the Lithia dealership?
good luck with it.
Last edited by Sword_of_the_Spirit; 12-13-2020 at 01:15 PM.
thanks @Bxstr I think the manual seats would be best even if as a backup. I noticed there is no DME report but I assume it has seen the pavement of a track on a regular basis so probably not gonna be squeaky clean. Always wonder why they don’t post DME; there is high probability that it will come up in the sales process and save them 50 emails
Curious what this means, or what brings you to this conclusion? Whatever it means it seems to have a negative connotation to it.....why?
I'm guessing there isn't a lot of 14 year old vehicles out there - any make / model - that are "squeaky clean". I'm curious to see them though, if you can show us some. I would posit that the GT3 community keep their vehicles, far more "clean" than your Prius, etc. owners.
I'm guessing that there are surely very few examples that can be dumped into the "run away" category, since most - even with F You Money - don't abuse their cars and simply discard them. Especially those that use the car as they were intended, @ the track. Time would be better spent trying to figure if the cars been banged up, painted, etc. (not tracked), I mean - people describe their high mileage cars for sale as "highway driven", rather than around town (seems to be a selling point, though one could argue that might be closer to being tracked...)
6 posts in, welcome
Last edited by pissedpuppy; 12-13-2020 at 02:03 PM.
I'm guessing there isn't a lot of 14 year old vehicles out there - any make / model - that are "squeaky clean". I'm curious to see them though, if you can show us some. I would posit that the GT3 community keep their vehicles, far more "clean" than your Prius, etc. owners.
They are out there....My worthless 42K mile '07 recently brought this home and there several others there with miles that were equally well cared for.
FYI, mileage alone doesn't matter - How the car is taken care of does.
Black car with orange graphics had a sequential shifter on it, which most likely held a lot of buyers back. Also, there was talk that the car was a bit crusty/rusty underneath.
Also, as people have said, one car does not dictate the market, so this one car I would not use as an indicator of the market, but I also would not use the black car with orange graphics with the sequential shifter as dictating the market.
you're agreeing with me bro....try re-reading what I posted. here, I'll help
I would posit that the GT3 community keep their vehicles, far more "clean" than your Prius, etc. owners
You were curious to see a "14 year old vehicles out there - any make / model - that are "squeaky clean". I'm curious to see them though, if you can show us some."
My 17 year old, $2,000 original paint "Winter beater".....
My reasons for buying this one are a lot like what has been posted above with respect to the Speed Yellow 997.
Paid right on $70k. Managed to squeeze them for a 20k mile service and wrapped the front end in Xpel. I feel like I got an 'ok' deal.
Car checked out with an independent PPI. DME still clean, just the 2 solitary range 1 ignitions many hundreds of hours ago. Average speed was close to 35mph when I did the math. For those that are interested, a Foxwell NT530 reads 997.1 GT3 DME and codes and can do a whole lot of other cool reading and programming. I know because I double-checked the DME personally before I took delivery to make sure there were no Ferris Bueller type joyrides once I'd signed on the line. Any damage on the Carfax has been fixed, yes there's paintwork but all the panels are tidy and straight, as is underneath. I even trawled through all the track photos from the dates two months prior to the damage report and can't find any pics of the car on the track. Anyway, she's got CCWs and new NT01s now and the alignment to the specs posted on this board was done without issue.
Edit: I should add that the coolant lines were already pinned and the PCCB rotors were swapped out with Girodiscs with plenty of life left on them.
I emailed a previous RL owner (the one who put the majority of the miles on it) and chatted a bit about the car. He was very forthcoming and that was also helpful.
For me, $70k is all I'm going to be able to spend on a car at this stage in my life - we only moved here relatively recently and we are getting used to how it works here (saving for a house and daaaaaaang school is expensive - I pay more for my kids preschool than I did for my medical degree - seriously).
I had been bitten by the HPDE bug and I was worried that my 997.1 C2S wasn't up to the task of lapping on hot days on R compound tires (cooling, oil-starvation, required suspension upgrades, IMS, etc). I realized that by the time I got the Carrera to where I wanted it, I'd be into it close to, or more than 70k.
This was my 'value buy' into GT car ownership. And to date I haven't regretted it one bit. Every single drive is an absolute occasion, I go out of my way to find on-ramps and tunnels. The car is so much more than the sum of its parts. Everywhere I go I get thumbs up and people asking me about it. Never got that in the Carrera!
Depreciation? Previous damage? I don't care to be honest. No way I'm ever selling this car. My 3yo son is already obsessed with it. He has his own set of plastic tools and loves to 'help me' bleed brakes, etc.
This car was always a halo car for me, and they are $250k back home in Australia so no way I was getting one back home. If we go back home then it's coming with me.
To date I've put in fresh Motul oil and brake fluid (those will be changed frequently regardless of miles), wheel studs, added in my 996 Euro buckets and Rennline fire extinguisher, and put a Transit Blu Bluetooth for the phone. The parts were all take-offs from the previous car so haven't cost me anything.
Recently did the Wevo engine mounts and have some Cantrell transmission mounts coming too. All DIY stuff. Clark has some Ferodo pads and caliper studs coming because the stock pads are somewhat anemic.
So, here's another data point for the investors. What can't be quantified is the fun factor. I can't see how I would enjoy a 10k mile car more. This ticks all my boxes and will be driven for many more happy and hard miles until Alex at Sharkwerks does my 3.9.
Hopefully see you out there - foothills to Thunderhill!
Anyone follow @moonmilesgt3 on Instagram? He has 170k miles on his 997.1 GT3 and counting. How's that for an outlier?
Congrats Doc! Looks like you and I lucked out finding our respective cars at our pricing. It's almost funny that our two cars while similarly comparable in mileage and price, are two completely different cars.
And to each owner appears to be perfectly suited. Looks like you were looking for a track car, and your car had a bunch of performance goodies on it, track history did not concern you a bit. Conversely I was looking for a street car, and at my primary purpose is also street. It's almost funny that had you bought my car and had I bought your car, they would have not have been a perfect fit for either of us.
In any case enjoying good health, and thanks for referencing my post!
12-12-2020, 10:18 PM
