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Old 07-20-2011 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 911rox
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pps. Spill the beans on Izzone's wheel changing effort please!
I don't wanna know...booze and center locks are not friends at all.

One more reason to prefer my 5 Titanium lug bolts, lighter and safer.
Old 07-20-2011 | 09:34 AM
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Peter, now you & Randy & Mike understand why I told you the Glen is by far my favorite track. By the way, thanks for all the beers....
Old 07-20-2011 | 11:41 AM
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I am sure there's a lot to recap but I'd love to hear how the new rotors held up. How many sets of pads did you go through? Did you stick with the same brand/model pad the whole trip? Thanks!

Btw, heading to Watkins Glen next weekend with RTR....3days. Can't wait1
Old 07-20-2011 | 12:07 PM
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Sorry Peter, can't find Mosport ALMS TV coverage at the moment. I'll keep looking and post when I find it. At least there's the link Jimmy posted.

So, Randy, tire pressure, rookie mistake ----> ???

BTW, I haven't driven many tracks, but The Glen certainly feels like the big leagues

I found it very intimidating, especially T1, when you're coming in WOT, and the whole world just falls away, just beyond!
Old 07-20-2011 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ-GT
I don't wanna know...booze and center locks are not friends at all.

One more reason to prefer my 5 Titanium lug bolts, lighter and safer.
Nothing to do with CL..

Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Peter, now you & Randy & Mike understand why I told you the Glen is by far my favorite track. By the way, thanks for all the beers....
Dave, you were right, the hardest to learn, the place I felt the least accomplished, yet the tracks works with you and you get that feeling where you can nail a corner and it feels good in the car.

Originally Posted by Bman
I am sure there's a lot to recap but I'd love to hear how the new rotors held up. How many sets of pads did you go through? Did you stick with the same brand/model pad the whole trip? Thanks!

Btw, heading to Watkins Glen next weekend with RTR....3days. Can't wait1
I got 8 days out of PFC08 pads, randy got 10, but simply forgot to look at his brakes the last few days. All rotors cracked somewhat, but none need replacement, neither the OEM rears or PFC fronts.

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Sorry Peter, can't find Mosport ALMS TV coverage at the moment. I'll keep looking and post when I find it. At least there's the link Jimmy posted.

So, Randy, tire pressure, rookie mistake ----> ???

BTW, I haven't driven many tracks, but The Glen certainly feels like the big leagues

I found it very intimidating, especially T1, when you're coming in WOT, and the whole world just falls away, just beyond!
The glen reminds me a lot of Mosport, just a bit bigger and more armco.. You'd like it and be fast quickly there! T1 is not bad, just like Mosport
Old 07-20-2011 | 12:29 PM
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Finally decent Wifi, so some pics I could not get uploaded last night, FLATOUT video and data is still in the car, will do later:

Audi chief organizer signing my Audi. I was turning into "that guy" just showing up make special requests, etc. Super nice cool guy and helped us out a lot.

The Lodge. No A/C do I need to say more?

Cloud burst at Watkins Glen. First session was in a down poor, could hardly see the track, so first session wat wet, maybe that did not help finding the gippy spots either ;-)

Have to check out now, go load up 16 335 RA1's and find Starbucks...
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Old 07-20-2011 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FFaust
Sorry Peter, can't find Mosport ALMS TV coverage at the moment. I'll keep looking and post when I find it. At least there's the link Jimmy posted.

So, Randy, tire pressure, rookie mistake ----> ???

BTW, I haven't driven many tracks, but The Glen certainly feels like the big leagues

I found it very intimidating, especially T1, when you're coming in WOT, and the whole world just falls away, just beyond!
In my opinion the glen is fun, but equal fun to Sebring ...... With blue Armco everywhere. Those who say Sebring is a dangerous track goto the glen.

The think I loved about mosport was the feeling you get going down the hills, I know the glen has hills, but I likes the feeling at mosport much better

Now onto the tire pressure story......

There is a lesson learned here.

We get to Watkins glen, late Sunday night. Stay in a wooden tent with no ac, some hippie dirthole called the Seneca lodge. I am so hot and disgusted with the place I can't sleep

Next day get to audi club. This is the ninth day of being on the track and it is starting to wear on me.

Audi club assigns me two students, so essentially I have 30 minutes in the morning of the first day to do anything to my car ( that I just u loaded) to prep it for the track

First session put with my student it starts raining. I come in and figure I should take off my slick almost corded ra1 and put on fresh 5/32 tread

I change tires in my 30 minute break and 25 minutes into it my next student is standing over me waiting to line up

So get out of next students car into mine and go out

I run the session 2:20 lap after lap. The car is crazy crazy loose, spinning up the esses. The rear end is coming around at every brake point

Four or five laps of almost killing myself I realize I forgot to bleed the rears when I put them on....they were changed at mid Ohio at a tire shop and I never looked

So I come in and start bleeding....my finger is burning from the bleed valve it is do hot.....62 psi in one and 65 psi in the other

Total rookie mistake, for those who know me I wrench on my own car and am **** as hell that everything is perfect

Lesson learned, thought it might give the rl guys a laugh

Camera was not on or a YouTube of this session would make rl top ten
Old 07-20-2011 | 12:43 PM
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Rotors and pads are on my car, fresh when we left. Srf fluid

Same exact brake feel pedal modulation through whole trip

I'll check thickness later in trailer

At this point PFC is my new favorite
Old 07-20-2011 | 12:53 PM
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65/62? dammmmnn!
always tell the tyre guys how much you want in them. they must have put 50psi in at least.
still, all the adrenaline in your system made you run for 5 laps and not 2.
Old 07-20-2011 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzone
So I come in and start bleeding....my finger is burning from the bleed valve it is do hot.....62 psi in one and 65 psi in the other
LOL

Been there, done that! I went out my first session a couple of weeks ago, and immediately noticed the car was squriming all over. These were sticker HoHo R6s, so it dawns on me that I completely forgot to check the pressures before I went out. I come in after one lap and, sure enough, I've got 50 psi in each! It took so long just to bleed them down, I missed that first session completely.
Old 07-20-2011 | 03:51 PM
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Very happy to hear your results with the PFC pads and rotors. Please share some p/n's so I can get on the bandwagon!
Old 07-20-2011 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzone
Total rookie mistake, for those who know me I wrench on my own car and am **** as hell that everything is perfect

Lesson learned, thought it might give the rl guys a laugh
When I get interupted in the wheel torquing, pressure setting process I throw the torque wrench and pressure guage in the drivers seat. That way you'll always be reminded to finish what you started, and guarantees you'll never go out with loose wheels or incorrect pressures.
Old 07-20-2011 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by aussie jimmy
65/62? dammmmnn!
always tell the tyre guys how much you want in them. they must have put 50psi in at least.
still, all the adrenaline in your system made you run for 5 laps and not 2.
Sadly you can't trust anyone these days. The Hoosiers have "do not exceed 40 psi to seat bead" printed on the sidewall. I was working with someone last week that didn't know that. Note that people who install tires, use a lot of slag/paste/lube to install the tire or blast them full of 75 psi to seat the bead are also the people who argue that "all Hoosiers slip on the rim."

I recommend having good, old-fashioned Windex handy -- once you have the tire seated, run it around the tire machine once to make a gap and get that liberally washed out with Windex, then wipe it out with a (clean!) shop rag. Bingo. Then take them back to 35 cold, mark the valve position and balance them.

Hoosiers will still slip if you go out and stand on the brakes at 120 mph with 30 psi in them, but if you warm them on 35 psi, bleed down to 38 hot and they'll cradle you in their sweet, sticky embrace. : )

I'd also advocate TPM -- it's quite effective in '09 and later cars and quite consistent even though the system on my car is about 0.5 to 1.0 psi higher than the Accugage numbers.
Old 07-20-2011 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzone
In my opinion the glen is fun, but equal fun to Sebring ...... With blue Armco everywhere. Those who say Sebring is a dangerous track goto the glen.

The think I loved about mosport was the feeling you get going down the hills, I know the glen has hills, but I likes the feeling at mosport much better

Now onto the tire pressure story......

There is a lesson learned here.

We get to Watkins glen, late Sunday night. Stay in a wooden tent with no ac, some hippie dirthole called the Seneca lodge. I am so hot and disgusted with the place I can't sleep

Next day get to audi club. This is the ninth day of being on the track and it is starting to wear on me.

Audi club assigns me two students, so essentially I have 30 minutes in the morning of the first day to do anything to my car ( that I just u loaded) to prep it for the track

First session put with my student it starts raining. I come in and figure I should take off my slick almost corded ra1 and put on fresh 5/32 tread

I change tires in my 30 minute break and 25 minutes into it my next student is standing over me waiting to line up

So get out of next students car into mine and go out

I run the session 2:20 lap after lap. The car is crazy crazy loose, spinning up the esses. The rear end is coming around at every brake point

Four or five laps of almost killing myself I realize I forgot to bleed the rears when I put them on....they were changed at mid Ohio at a tire shop and I never looked

So I come in and start bleeding....my finger is burning from the bleed valve it is do hot.....62 psi in one and 65 psi in the other

Total rookie mistake, for those who know me I wrench on my own car and am **** as hell that everything is perfect

Lesson learned, thought it might give the rl guys a laugh

Camera was not on or a YouTube of this session would make rl top ten
Ouch! LOL!!!!!
Old 07-20-2011 | 08:59 PM
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I talked to Performance Friction yesterday asking about there compounds and told them about Trakcar and Izzone using pfc08 on their mancation tour plus pointed PFC to this tread on rennlist.

I ordered pfc08 today for my car....thanks guys!



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