Who is placing an order?
04-28-2011, 11:53 PM
#31
Guys' white is the only right color, so no problem.
I agree the steering wheel does not fit in the ugly red interior at all. I like my blacked out one much better
But, I'd still get one if I could. if I can get a different steering wheel and ugle red interior delete great. If not I'll still take it.
I import and just looking at the EUR/USD exhange rate it should be a lot more expensive then last years RS...
GT2 RS carbon hood and fenders
GT2 RS suspension parts (rear toe links, other spherical joints?)
GT2 RS component weight reduction (aluminum braces, other?)
GT2 RS overall length (one inch shorter than 3.8 RS) ====>3.8 same length as 4.0 same car. Maybe typo somewhere.
4.0 RS bespoke canards (not to be discounted as real aero)
CGT, you're kidding right?
Shocks and springs are different as well on the GT2RS. I wonder what's on the 4.0LE?
This list his hardly in the hunderds of dollars, even without the carbon hood end fenders.
To me the baller canards alone are worth 38k. I'm going to bolt on whatever is just a couple of hundred dollars...Someone brake out the PET and prices so I can get my orer together ;-)
I agree the steering wheel does not fit in the ugly red interior at all. I like my blacked out one much better
But, I'd still get one if I could. if I can get a different steering wheel and ugle red interior delete great. If not I'll still take it.
I import and just looking at the EUR/USD exhange rate it should be a lot more expensive then last years RS...
GT2 RS carbon hood and fenders
GT2 RS suspension parts (rear toe links, other spherical joints?)
GT2 RS component weight reduction (aluminum braces, other?)
GT2 RS overall length (one inch shorter than 3.8 RS) ====>3.8 same length as 4.0 same car. Maybe typo somewhere.
4.0 RS bespoke canards (not to be discounted as real aero)
CGT, you're kidding right?
Shocks and springs are different as well on the GT2RS. I wonder what's on the 4.0LE?
This list his hardly in the hunderds of dollars, even without the carbon hood end fenders.
To me the baller canards alone are worth 38k. I'm going to bolt on whatever is just a couple of hundred dollars...Someone brake out the PET and prices so I can get my orer together ;-)
As for the canards, if they're now producing a lot of downforce (perhaps the real situation is they're negating a lot of lift) then there's probably some fiddly bracket behind there to transfer the force without deflecting the bumper cover ... a retrofit is going to be a hot item, but it'll probably involve the (easy) removal of the cover and some fiddling with reinforcement. Having driven mine recently sans rear wing, I don't think I'm all that worried about aero.
Anyway, early days. Once we get the facts and details on the 4.0, it will start to make sense. For now, I'm just throwing around half-bakery and trying to rationalize the upgrade cost to myself ... so far, so good. : )
04-29-2011, 12:18 AM
#32
Rennlist Member
Haha, yes, OK.
THEIR COST, never mind actual material cost, indeed.
I must have the canards. Must have, there is so much rubber crap behind the screens that it is high time we remove the front bumper anyway.
Once you look at the retail cost of the individual improvements the LE added cost is not too bad. I like most of the extra goodies, but even a 100% 3.8RS stuffed with a 4.0 is a must have. 5K for fenders are not worth much more in laptimes, but they look much better then the added on side stick-ons, etc. etc.
I bet the car is 2-3 secs faster at Sebring. To some no way worth 50K, I see others spending that kind of money and never really go faster....
The 4.0 is the final hurah of a great model and I think it will prove a very solid value over time. Not for me and the others who beat the living hell out of it and add 50K miles in 5 years, but the prestine ones will keep value. I hope not, I'm hoping the 991RS with mid mounted 2800lb 991 V8 PDK will make it drop like a brick, but I'm affraid that's just wishful thinking.
You are absolutely right, the devil will be in the details in terms of std VS option pricing in USD. Although pennyless, I can't wait for the build you own feature to activate ;-)
THEIR COST, never mind actual material cost, indeed.
I must have the canards. Must have, there is so much rubber crap behind the screens that it is high time we remove the front bumper anyway.
Once you look at the retail cost of the individual improvements the LE added cost is not too bad. I like most of the extra goodies, but even a 100% 3.8RS stuffed with a 4.0 is a must have. 5K for fenders are not worth much more in laptimes, but they look much better then the added on side stick-ons, etc. etc.
I bet the car is 2-3 secs faster at Sebring. To some no way worth 50K, I see others spending that kind of money and never really go faster....
The 4.0 is the final hurah of a great model and I think it will prove a very solid value over time. Not for me and the others who beat the living hell out of it and add 50K miles in 5 years, but the prestine ones will keep value. I hope not, I'm hoping the 991RS with mid mounted 2800lb 991 V8 PDK will make it drop like a brick, but I'm affraid that's just wishful thinking.
You are absolutely right, the devil will be in the details in terms of std VS option pricing in USD. Although pennyless, I can't wait for the build you own feature to activate ;-)
04-29-2011, 12:45 AM
#33
Right -- I was running my spreadsheet cursor down their line item costs to see what contributes to our cost -- we know out cost, it's $185K take it or leave it. : )
I read somewhere that the RSR crank as a spare part was priced over US$10K. Once we get to the shopping list for the engine, I think it will be an eyeopener.
I read somewhere that the RSR crank as a spare part was priced over US$10K. Once we get to the shopping list for the engine, I think it will be an eyeopener.
04-29-2011, 01:07 AM
#34
Rennlist Member
Presumably this car is the swan song of the Mezger block. It'll be the one to own in twenty years which should make the bubble wrap crowd happy.
For a car you just plan to thrash on the track it's a tough sell over the 3.8 RS. I like the looks a lot more than the 997.2 RS though.
For a car you just plan to thrash on the track it's a tough sell over the 3.8 RS. I like the looks a lot more than the 997.2 RS though.
This is bubble wrap heaven but I want a car that can be tracked without worrying about "getting rained on" or "having brake dust on the calipers". I'm sticking with my 3.8.
04-29-2011, 01:27 AM
#35
Rennlist Member
Placing an order?
Placing an order?.......me Hell no!
I ordered my 997.2 GT3 exactly the way I wanted it.....knowing that I would be keeping it for the long run ......knowing the new GT3RS was right around the corner.....and knowing that the next 911 model was just a couple of years out.
Would I like to keep up with the Porsche marketing machine and have each and every next great model? Sure, I would, who wouldn't !?!
Dumping your present GT car for the next great thing is a personal decision, just make sure you do it for the right reasons. Also, remember that in the case of the 4.0 RS you will likely be able buy most upgrades for your dated 997 GT car if you really want them at some point in time, OEM or aftermarket.
Regardless of your individual choice, have fun and enjoy!
Cheers!
Doug N.
I ordered my 997.2 GT3 exactly the way I wanted it.....knowing that I would be keeping it for the long run ......knowing the new GT3RS was right around the corner.....and knowing that the next 911 model was just a couple of years out.
Would I like to keep up with the Porsche marketing machine and have each and every next great model? Sure, I would, who wouldn't !?!
Dumping your present GT car for the next great thing is a personal decision, just make sure you do it for the right reasons. Also, remember that in the case of the 4.0 RS you will likely be able buy most upgrades for your dated 997 GT car if you really want them at some point in time, OEM or aftermarket.
Regardless of your individual choice, have fun and enjoy!
Cheers!
Doug N.
04-29-2011, 01:49 AM
#36
Too rich for my blood. If the base price does end up being $185, with basic options, destination and the much higher gas guzzler tax it is already at $195K before sales tax. That is $75K more than the price of my GT3, still not taking into account sales tax.
04-29-2011, 02:05 AM
#37
Race Director
As an extra data point: Canadian "published" price is $211,100 (yeah, not sure why the extra $100) https://rennlist.com/forums/rennlist...ml#post8511003 . So some quick math:
$211,100 CDN X 1.13 (13% harmonized sales tax, HST) X 1.05 (current US/CDN exchange rate) = $250,470 USD
Or leaving taxes out of it: $211,100 X 1.05 = $221,655 USD
BTW, many Canadian Porsche dealerships are within a 1-hour drive to the good ole US of A.
$211,100 CDN X 1.13 (13% harmonized sales tax, HST) X 1.05 (current US/CDN exchange rate) = $250,470 USD
Or leaving taxes out of it: $211,100 X 1.05 = $221,655 USD
BTW, many Canadian Porsche dealerships are within a 1-hour drive to the good ole US of A.
$25,000 premium to buy a Canadian car. I was told only 5 coming to Canada and was offered an allocation.
04-29-2011, 10:17 AM
#39
Nordschleife Master
04-29-2011, 10:24 AM
#40
Nordschleife Master
Also wanted to go into the Big Mac Index and PPP, but I've been up all night and couldn't possibly begin to make any sense
Trying to get a slot...
04-29-2011, 02:31 PM
#44
Rennlist Member
I wonder what the so-called premium for the 4.0 would be in relation to the 3.8 if the latter's price was established today, in today's global economy? I bet it wouldn't be $50k or whatever it is now.
At $185, to a Canadian, it is not outrageous at all (all relative, of course). That is actually pretty close to what a 3.8 was/is here.
Again, I like it and would if I could.
At $185, to a Canadian, it is not outrageous at all (all relative, of course). That is actually pretty close to what a 3.8 was/is here.
Again, I like it and would if I could.
