Centerlocks - A Cautionary Tale
#16
I hate my $#@! centerlocks. Do a search or ask your dealer for a copy of the bulletin on how to torque them properly. Note, you have to torque the #$@! things while they are off the ground! Makes it a two person job, one on the brakes. You have to use special lube on the centerlock mechanism too - every time. Don't lose the plastic caps either, if water gets in there bad stuff happens. Oh, and make sure the screws in the red nubs are tight every time else the wheel won't seat properly. 50 Newton Meters torque (up from the original 400). A step backwards in MHO.
But otherwise I agree that it's a PITA.
I did buy the mondo torque wrench that Kap uses. Gotta have the biggest tool in the paddock, you know.
#19
I Don't think there's anythin stopping you from converting back. The hardware interchangability should be straight forward.
Strange that this is such an issue. Is this design the same as the CarreraGT, or were there not enuff heavily tracked/driven CGT's to collect the data on?
Aside, ducati and many motorcycle brands use single sided swingarms with a centerlock as well without issue.
Subscribed to the thread as I would like to know more.
Strange that this is such an issue. Is this design the same as the CarreraGT, or were there not enuff heavily tracked/driven CGT's to collect the data on?
Aside, ducati and many motorcycle brands use single sided swingarms with a centerlock as well without issue.
Subscribed to the thread as I would like to know more.
#21
I Don't think there's anythin stopping you from converting back. The hardware interchangability should be straight forward.
Strange that this is such an issue. Is this design the same as the CarreraGT, or were there not enuff heavily tracked/driven CGT's to collect the data on?
Aside, ducati and many motorcycle brands use single sided swingarms with a centerlock as well without issue.
Subscribed to the thread as I would like to know more.
Strange that this is such an issue. Is this design the same as the CarreraGT, or were there not enuff heavily tracked/driven CGT's to collect the data on?
Aside, ducati and many motorcycle brands use single sided swingarms with a centerlock as well without issue.
Subscribed to the thread as I would like to know more.
2. CarreraGT had different CL's. Cup cars have different CL's. Apples and oranges.
The "issue" occurs because trackrats frequently have wheels off to swap track/street tires, and service the brakes. Proper CL install/removal requires either a second person or a brake depressor tool and wheels off the ground.
They look great and are a massive PITA for trackers. Give me a five lug any day
#22
Hey don't panic. Had the same problem last year. Be sure to clean up the mating surfaces. Follow the new torque and lubrication specs. Be sure the locks are engaged.
I just ran 3 days at Mid Ohio with not even having to re-torque. Checked often and all were tight. All I did was make sure I was 600 nm.
Watch the racers, they don't have the car in the air to do final torque. Leave it in gear and set the ebrake tight to set final torque. Hey 4 lugs are a lot less than 20. Get it right, piece of cake.
Just my experiences. All the best.
I just ran 3 days at Mid Ohio with not even having to re-torque. Checked often and all were tight. All I did was make sure I was 600 nm.
Watch the racers, they don't have the car in the air to do final torque. Leave it in gear and set the ebrake tight to set final torque. Hey 4 lugs are a lot less than 20. Get it right, piece of cake.
Just my experiences. All the best.
#23
1. Conversion parts and labor would be MONUMENTALLY expensive. Not as simple as you might think at first glance.
2. CarreraGT had different CL's. Cup cars have different CL's. Apples and oranges.
The "issue" occurs because trackrats frequently have wheels off to swap track/street tires, and service the brakes. Proper CL install/removal requires either a second person or a brake depressor tool and wheels off the ground.
They look great and are a massive PITA for trackers. Give me a five lug any day
2. CarreraGT had different CL's. Cup cars have different CL's. Apples and oranges.
The "issue" occurs because trackrats frequently have wheels off to swap track/street tires, and service the brakes. Proper CL install/removal requires either a second person or a brake depressor tool and wheels off the ground.
They look great and are a massive PITA for trackers. Give me a five lug any day
You would need - New wheels, new rotors, remove the center lock splines and replace them with the standard nut. and possibly some ods and sods i'm missing. not sure what GT3 rotors cost (probably a cubic ****ton if ceramic) so yeah that might be expensive.
2 - Noted.
Yeah agree with you on the pain in the ***-ness for track rats. had the 9ff conversion back in the day. totally not worth it unless you have a team of whipping boys to do your bidding.
Thanks for the info m8.
#25
I wonder what Porsche is thinking with these Center Locks? WHY???? Why make it so dang hard?
I fear that when I get my GT3 some day it will have center locks and I'll be driving it somewhere and have tire trouble and nobody at any tire place will be able to help and I'll be stranded hundreds of miles away from a Porsche dealer.
I fear that when I get my GT3 some day it will have center locks and I'll be driving it somewhere and have tire trouble and nobody at any tire place will be able to help and I'll be stranded hundreds of miles away from a Porsche dealer.
#26
Thanks to all for your interest and support. I should let you all know that I'm a mechanical engineer, and carry a print- out of the Porsche instructions. This was not the first time I'd had the pleasure of doing this job. I did torque to 600NM with the wheels off the ground. I did follow the torque, loosen, re-torque procedure.
I have to say that my brake pedal depressor (tool that is supposed to make it a one man job) only works about half the time. I was lucky to get help on the numerous occasions I needed it (I was by myself). Anyone else have troubles with this tool?
I have to say that my brake pedal depressor (tool that is supposed to make it a one man job) only works about half the time. I was lucky to get help on the numerous occasions I needed it (I was by myself). Anyone else have troubles with this tool?
#27
#28
Thanks to all for your interest and support. I should let you all know that I'm a mechanical engineer, and carry a print- out of the Porsche instructions. This was not the first time I'd had the pleasure of doing this job. I did torque to 600NM with the wheels off the ground. I did follow the torque, loosen, re-torque procedure.
I have to say that my brake pedal depressor (tool that is supposed to make it a one man job) only works about half the time. I was lucky to get help on the numerous occasions I needed it (I was by myself). Anyone else have troubles with this tool?
I have to say that my brake pedal depressor (tool that is supposed to make it a one man job) only works about half the time. I was lucky to get help on the numerous occasions I needed it (I was by myself). Anyone else have troubles with this tool?
#29
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the only CL worthwhile is cup car. any CL that doesn't allow impact wrench and one man operation is just not going to cut it on track.
#30
I have the Lisle truck pedal depressor, it works well. I've only used it a hand full of times, but have not had any issues with wheel spin.
http://www.tooltopia.com/lisle-21520.aspx
http://www.tooltopia.com/lisle-21520.aspx