Is 2010 MY last of the Real Porsches
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Is 2010 MY last of the Real Porsches
Given that VW is taking over Porsche I was wondering what effect VW management will have on the marque.
Certainly the 2010's were designed and developed by Porsche, but will the 11's be a VW inspired effort. Will 2010 see the last of the "real" Porsche. Will the 911 remain the icon or will front or mid engine cars take precedent.
Part of the Porsche mystique resided in their unabashed independence and dogged reliance on the venerable 911, still the benchmark by which others are compared. The 997.1 and 997.2 GT3's may be the last and best of the breed.
I truly hope that Porsche does not lose it's soul.
Certainly the 2010's were designed and developed by Porsche, but will the 11's be a VW inspired effort. Will 2010 see the last of the "real" Porsche. Will the 911 remain the icon or will front or mid engine cars take precedent.
Part of the Porsche mystique resided in their unabashed independence and dogged reliance on the venerable 911, still the benchmark by which others are compared. The 997.1 and 997.2 GT3's may be the last and best of the breed.
I truly hope that Porsche does not lose it's soul.
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Some interesting comments in this article on Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aT.nET.1ZieQ
As well as
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4512876,00.html
Cheers Al
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aT.nET.1ZieQ
“Porsche’s myth must continue to be visible in an integrated company,” Guenther Oettinger, prime minister of the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg, where Porsche is based, told Germany’s ARD television network. "
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4512876,00.html
"The families are in complete agreement on the fact that Porsche's success is founded on the brand's independence," he added."
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The real NAIL will be "CAFE" (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards and will not only affect Porsche but BMW and Mercedes as well.
A little something from to chew on from Autoextremist.com
A little something from to chew on from Autoextremist.com
Porsche. The new EPA CAFE rules hammer the German automaker because the company's sports cars have short wheelbases and consequently small footprints. That means higher fuel economy targets under the new regulations. According to Automotive News, if the industry builds the mix of vehicle sizes that NHTSA projects, Porsche cars would have to average 41.3 mpg in 2015, about 7 mpg better than Toyota, Lexus and Scion cars collectively. Will Porsche fold up its tent and abandon its most lucrative market? No. But it and other high-performance and luxury-performance automakers under the same fuel economy pressure will most certainly "bake-in" the fines that are sure to be handed out for not meeting the new standards. The only question remaining is what those fines will be, as NHTSA is contemplating either keeping them the same as they are now, or raising them. We can easily envision enthusiast consumers paying a $15,000 - $20,000 premium per car just to cover the fines the manufacturer will have to pay if this should go the wrong way.
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No your Porsche is not over Piech is a Porsche family member. VW and Porsche have been togehter since the beginning and I dont think that Piech will screw it up. In Fact I am hoping he will get Porsche back to the track Weidenking seemed to forget where Porsche cut its teeth.
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The fuel econ regs would not be so bad if a Mfgr could correspondingly reduce weight. However, the safety (motorist and pedestrian) regs cut against true weight savings (unless hyper-exotic and expensive materials/processes are used). It will be increasingly difficult to build a 'true' sports car at a reasonable price in the next few years IMO. Get the car you want now ..
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I hope it will mark the end of the old and obsolete rear engine 911 design, and allow Porsche to move ahead and finally give to the World it's new mid engine flagship design.
Then we will REALLY have something to talk about!
Then we will REALLY have something to talk about!
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If by that you mean give the Cayman and Boxster a real engine that has the same HP as a 911 C2S, then I'm with you! That would kick butt.
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Piech is much more of a real "Porsche nut" than Weideking ever was. Piech involved the company in the highest level of motorsports and built the reputation that Porsche thrives on today. Good riddance Dr. W.
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Long live the 911!
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... the venerable 911 still kicks but in international motorsport racing...
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Amazing that many still disdain the rear engine design and yet the venerable 911 still kicks but in international motorsport racing and is to this day the benchmark for performance cars. Beat the Ferrari (a mid engine car) handily in the last ALMS race and had pole at this years Sebring 12 hours I believe. Not too shabby for an "old and obsolete design".
Long live the 911!
Long live the 911!
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When PAG becomes one of the 10 cos of VAG it should pass CAFE as part of VAG's fleet average, don't you think? I think that this advantage was one of the motivators for the merger to begin with.
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Obsolete rear-engine 911 design... my foot! I suggest you move to the GTR forum.