The "hole" Challenge
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The "hole" Challenge
I will pay anyone here $250 if you can repeatedly turn faster laps in a non-sunroof GT3RS or sunroof-deleted GT3 vs a sunroof-cursed GT3. Both cars must be US spec, similar weights, same tire compounds and conditions, same day same track conditions.
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Originally Posted by eclou
I will pay anyone here $250 if you can repeatedly turn faster laps in a non-sunroof GT3RS or sunroof-deleted GT3 vs a sunroof-cursed GT3. Both cars must be US spec, similar weights, same tire compounds and conditions, same day same track conditions.
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Here we go again...it's the principle.
In addition, for me personally, I find the 997's sunroof very poorly designed...mine rattles and thumps constantly, open or closed, and the dealer's fixes are only temporary. It also cannot be opened without having a window cracked or there's ridiculous oscillation above 30mph. After dealing with it for two years I just don't want one if I'm spending $115k+ on a new GT3...I've got a convertible if I want wind in my hair.
In addition, for me personally, I find the 997's sunroof very poorly designed...mine rattles and thumps constantly, open or closed, and the dealer's fixes are only temporary. It also cannot be opened without having a window cracked or there's ridiculous oscillation above 30mph. After dealing with it for two years I just don't want one if I'm spending $115k+ on a new GT3...I've got a convertible if I want wind in my hair.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
How much will you pay someone if they can fit inside a sunroof-delete car with a helmet when they can't quite fit in a sunroof car
Originally Posted by frayed
It would be feasible if you drove sane enough to avoid getting black flagged
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Originally Posted by GrantG
How much will you pay someone if they can fit inside a sunroof-delete car with a helmet when they can't quite fit in a sunroof car
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All this bull**** would stop if Porsche would give the buyers the option of getting what they want...
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Originally Posted by HMS
Porsche is not about giving the buyer what he wants. They are here to make $$$. The beans were counted and the "hole'' won.
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Originally Posted by eclou
I will pay anyone here $250 if you can repeatedly turn faster laps in a non-sunroof GT3RS or sunroof-deleted GT3 vs a sunroof-cursed GT3. Both cars must be US spec, similar weights, same tire compounds and conditions, same day same track conditions.
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Originally Posted by eclou
I will pay anyone here $250 if you can repeatedly turn faster laps in a non-sunroof GT3RS or sunroof-deleted GT3 vs a sunroof-cursed GT3. Both cars must be US spec, similar weights, same tire compounds and conditions, same day same track conditions.
If the hole hardware weighs those 45 lbs, we'll be looking at 0.14 secs per my estimates, and 0.23 secs per AutoX Pro estimates on an AutoX lap.
I know Autocross and Track are different, but a 45 lbs lighter car will always turn faster lap times. The weight from the open top hardware is at the worse location, so the benefit on removing the weight from the top should be better than the benefit I've found by running lighter seats, no floor mats, no windshield washer fluid.
As a point of reference, Mitsubishi made an Evo VIII and IX MR (Mitsubishi Racing Edition). One of the marketing points was that the MR uses an 8 lbs lighter roof (aluminum). Road & Track took the three Evo VIII and compared them (RS, MR and regular). The MR was faster by a few tenths.
I lost last year SCCA Solo National Championship by 0.7 secs after 2 timed days, 0.35 secs per day. I could use those 0.28 secs to 0.46 secs saved from the roof hardware, plus the faster 997 GT3 to win a National Championship this year.
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NJ, your point is well taken, but the for the vast majority of GT3 owners, sunroof/no sunroof performance is a moot point for track use.
My interest in pulling it out is not a lot different than weight reduction on a mountain bike. Back when I was addicted to mountain biking, I used to pick and replace parts to drop grams. Not b/c I'd be faster around Emma Long (local trail), but b/c it was a challenge and it was fun. Pulling weight out of a car, dropping 100+ pounds is a hobby in itself, and I like the clean look of the seemless roof panel.
I think 5k - 6k is too much, but if it can be done properly for 1500/parts + under 2k labor and paint, then I'm all in.
I do think the CF roof panel isn't worth it, as you give up stock look and maybe save 1-2 lbs.
My interest in pulling it out is not a lot different than weight reduction on a mountain bike. Back when I was addicted to mountain biking, I used to pick and replace parts to drop grams. Not b/c I'd be faster around Emma Long (local trail), but b/c it was a challenge and it was fun. Pulling weight out of a car, dropping 100+ pounds is a hobby in itself, and I like the clean look of the seemless roof panel.
I think 5k - 6k is too much, but if it can be done properly for 1500/parts + under 2k labor and paint, then I'm all in.
I do think the CF roof panel isn't worth it, as you give up stock look and maybe save 1-2 lbs.
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Originally Posted by frayed
NJ, your point is well taken, but the for the vast majority of GT3 owners, sunroof/no sunroof performance is a moot point for track use.
My interest in pulling it out is not a lot different than weight reduction on a mountain bike. Back when I was addicted to mountain biking, I used to pick and replace parts to drop grams. Not b/c I'd be faster around Emma Long (local trail), but b/c it was a challenge and it was fun. Pulling weight out of a car, dropping 100+ pounds is a hobby in itself, and I like the clean look of the seemless roof panel.
My interest in pulling it out is not a lot different than weight reduction on a mountain bike. Back when I was addicted to mountain biking, I used to pick and replace parts to drop grams. Not b/c I'd be faster around Emma Long (local trail), but b/c it was a challenge and it was fun. Pulling weight out of a car, dropping 100+ pounds is a hobby in itself, and I like the clean look of the seemless roof panel.
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Originally Posted by frayed
Back when I was addicted to mountain biking, I used to pick and replace parts to drop grams. Not b/c I'd be faster around Emma Long (local trail), but b/c it was a challenge and it was fun.
you tip the scales now the same as when you were mountain biking?