Damn! Car in for #6 cyl scoring. Which way to go?
#31
Anyone here expecting a Happy Face for this post? Sorry. As per this AM:
There is a longitudinal score running the length of the #6 cylinder bore. This after 48K miles of obsessive maintainence, upgraded oil, 3k oil changes, and TLC bordering on fanatical. A fatally flawed product.
I am exploring options for replacement engine. RND is favored by repair shop. Not have firm cost yet.
I am so f'ing pissed I am close to certifiable at this point. Just thought I'd share that.
To be continued
There is a longitudinal score running the length of the #6 cylinder bore. This after 48K miles of obsessive maintainence, upgraded oil, 3k oil changes, and TLC bordering on fanatical. A fatally flawed product.
I am exploring options for replacement engine. RND is favored by repair shop. Not have firm cost yet.
I am so f'ing pissed I am close to certifiable at this point. Just thought I'd share that.
To be continued
Good luck... hey, I was really pissed too so what did I do? I purchased another Porsche, a 2009 with the new engine. I guess I just rewarded shoddy work. To each his own......
Peace
Bruce in Philly
#32
Until you get some money to repair (or change) the engine, I would clean up the exhaust tail pipe on a regular basis and drive the car as if nothing had happened. The score is probably not from yesterday and had you not decided to take a detailed peek into the engine, your mind would not be infected with worries and fears.
I agree with you that these expensive cars have a long list of issues that do not belong to luxury cars. I wonder what it is to own (and maintain) a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Yves
I agree with you that these expensive cars have a long list of issues that do not belong to luxury cars. I wonder what it is to own (and maintain) a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Yves
#33
Until you get some money to repair (or change) the engine, I would clean up the exhaust tail pipe on a regular basis and drive the car as if nothing had happened. The score is probably not from yesterday and had you not decided to take a detailed peek into the engine, your mind would not be infected with worries and fears.
I agree with you that these expensive cars have a long list of issues that do not belong to luxury cars. I wonder what it is to own (and maintain) a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Yves
I agree with you that these expensive cars have a long list of issues that do not belong to luxury cars. I wonder what it is to own (and maintain) a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Yves
If the market (me) rewards shoddy work, nothing will change. Ultimately it is consumer driven with a little of regulatory thrown in. Price of product is irrelevant.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
#34
Id go to dealer first. Have them scope it and then work with PCNA to try to get them to cover some of the cost. Sure you would end up with another failure prone factory engine, but its one option that may not cost you as much as a full rebuild from LN or Flat6. RND long blocks are a great option, and cost 17k, plus taxes installation, shipping and core. If you have a good core- you get money back, but you have to upfront the money for core charge... And that could be as much as 10k. And you wont know what you get back until much later.
Call PCNA and report it, so they know just how common these failures have become. Perhaps there will be action by Porsche in the future, and then you can be included.
I myself...well im letting the cat out of the bag here, have a 2007 911 s with 27k and ALL SIX cylinders are scored. I have no soot and no excessive oil consumption. But i do have the other symptoms including metal in the oil. I stopped driving the car in April, after discovering the issue durring a coilpack change, after owning the car only 6 months.
I have choosen to have Flat6 rebuild mine, as a 4.0. My car ships out in a month. Luckily I was able to afford it and wait for it, although it has not been easy!
Call PCNA and report it, so they know just how common these failures have become. Perhaps there will be action by Porsche in the future, and then you can be included.
I myself...well im letting the cat out of the bag here, have a 2007 911 s with 27k and ALL SIX cylinders are scored. I have no soot and no excessive oil consumption. But i do have the other symptoms including metal in the oil. I stopped driving the car in April, after discovering the issue durring a coilpack change, after owning the car only 6 months.
I have choosen to have Flat6 rebuild mine, as a 4.0. My car ships out in a month. Luckily I was able to afford it and wait for it, although it has not been easy!
#35
Until you get some money to repair (or change) the engine, I would clean up the exhaust tail pipe on a regular basis and drive the car as if nothing had happened. The score is probably not from yesterday and had you not decided to take a detailed peek into the engine, your mind would not be infected with worries and fears.
I agree with you that these expensive cars have a long list of issues that do not belong to luxury cars. I wonder what it is to own (and maintain) a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Yves
I agree with you that these expensive cars have a long list of issues that do not belong to luxury cars. I wonder what it is to own (and maintain) a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Yves
#36
I get it... I had two engines fail in my 2000 Boxster S. The first gen of water cooled engine designs were never race tested and designed when Porsche was failing.
Good luck... hey, I was really pissed too so what did I do? I purchased another Porsche, a 2009 with the new engine. I guess I just rewarded shoddy work. To each his own......
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Good luck... hey, I was really pissed too so what did I do? I purchased another Porsche, a 2009 with the new engine. I guess I just rewarded shoddy work. To each his own......
Peace
Bruce in Philly
#37
Id go to dealer first. Have them scope it and then work with PCNA to try to get them to cover some of the cost. Sure you would end up with another failure prone factory engine, but its one option that may not cost you as much as a full rebuild from LN or Flat6. RND long blocks are a great option, and cost 17k, plus taxes installation, shipping and core. If you have a good core- you get money back, but you have to upfront the money for core charge... And that could be as much as 10k. And you wont know what you get back until much later.
Call PCNA and report it, so they know just how common these failures have become. Perhaps there will be action by Porsche in the future, and then you can be included.
I myself...well im letting the cat out of the bag here, have a 2007 911 s with 27k and ALL SIX cylinders are scored. I have no soot and no excessive oil consumption. But i do have the other symptoms including metal in the oil. I stopped driving the car in April, after discovering the issue durring a coilpack change, after owning the car only 6 months.
I have choosen to have Flat6 rebuild mine, as a 4.0. My car ships out in a month. Luckily I was able to afford it and wait for it, although it has not been easy!
Call PCNA and report it, so they know just how common these failures have become. Perhaps there will be action by Porsche in the future, and then you can be included.
I myself...well im letting the cat out of the bag here, have a 2007 911 s with 27k and ALL SIX cylinders are scored. I have no soot and no excessive oil consumption. But i do have the other symptoms including metal in the oil. I stopped driving the car in April, after discovering the issue durring a coilpack change, after owning the car only 6 months.
I have choosen to have Flat6 rebuild mine, as a 4.0. My car ships out in a month. Luckily I was able to afford it and wait for it, although it has not been easy!
#40
#6 runs hotter and receives poorer coolant flow. Block and head materials expand at different rates. Block rigidity is suspect. Cylinder lining material wears poorly. Did I leave anything out?
#41
Forged aluminum pistons heat up and expand faster than the cast aluminum cylinders. The forged grain structure somehow allows for a faster heat transfer. I read somewhere that early boxsters with cast pistons didn't have issues with bore scoring. ( Yes, only some cars suffer from this )
Last edited by rherring; 12-09-2016 at 05:49 PM.
#43
Its the differential expansion as the pistons/cylinder walls heat up as rherring mentions. Only true solution is to reline the cylinders
Its not always #6 cylinder. Mine was #4
I think there are a lot of cars out there with this issue but it just hasn't become too apparent yet. On some cars it will, on some it wont but every car has this inherent flaw as they all have the same piston/cylinder construction
Its not always #6 cylinder. Mine was #4
I think there are a lot of cars out there with this issue but it just hasn't become too apparent yet. On some cars it will, on some it wont but every car has this inherent flaw as they all have the same piston/cylinder construction
#44
#45
I can't tell you what to do OP, only what I did, which was get an RND engine. Offing the car knowing it had a serious issue was not an option for me ethically. Buying a used engine I felt was a crapshoot. No doubt there are fine indie shops out there who can do a fine rebuild. The problem is, all shops will probably tell you they can. If you do consider having an indie rebuild it, I suggest printing out the list off RND's website of all the things they do to their engines, and make sure the indie will do the same. I did that, and got told that many things were overkill...yet the cost from the indie was the same. I see nothing wrong with overkill, especially when it doesn't cost any more than the bare essentials? One thing I can say is RND and SSF (the company in charge of sales and distribution) have some of the most awesome customer service I've encountered in a really long time.