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02-08-2021 | 11:46 AM
#8041
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From: Washington, DC
Not sure I would touch this car absent huge due diligence. Something just does not feel right here.
Robb Francis Sports car has this thing listed in New Jersey since at least 11-04-2020. They have it listed as sold, but it is back in another dealer's hands, albeit, more of a whole seller type of dealer now just 3 months later so one of two things stick out in my mind: (1) Robb Francis could not sell it and whole sold it to the current dealer listing it on PCA; or (2) Robb Francis sold it to an individual who found something wrong (perhaps core scoring) who immediately turned around and consigned it to the current seller on PCA Market.
The current seller seems to be more of a whole seller, consignment type of company. I am also leery of any dealer using PCA market. PCA Market seems to bring much less money for sellers and the BAT peanut gallery heavily scrutinize and brings things to attention about the cars listed.
PCA Market Seller was asked about DME and bore scoring. He answered about DME, but was painfully silent and completely ignored comment about bore scoring.
Robb Francis Sports car has this thing listed in New Jersey since at least 11-04-2020. They have it listed as sold, but it is back in another dealer's hands, albeit, more of a whole seller type of dealer now just 3 months later so one of two things stick out in my mind: (1) Robb Francis could not sell it and whole sold it to the current dealer listing it on PCA; or (2) Robb Francis sold it to an individual who found something wrong (perhaps core scoring) who immediately turned around and consigned it to the current seller on PCA Market.
The current seller seems to be more of a whole seller, consignment type of company. I am also leery of any dealer using PCA market. PCA Market seems to bring much less money for sellers and the BAT peanut gallery heavily scrutinize and brings things to attention about the cars listed.
PCA Market Seller was asked about DME and bore scoring. He answered about DME, but was painfully silent and completely ignored comment about bore scoring.
02-08-2021 | 11:56 AM
#8042
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Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 331
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From: Carmel, Indiana
You should factor in another ~$4k or so for the clutch. It might be higher (closer to $6k) depending on which market you are in. My 997.1 had a new clutch in when Purchased it. It was replaced at 35k miles (older previous owner that probably rode the clutch a bit too much). I agree w/ previous posters that it is going to be due for a replacement soon at that kind of mileage.
02-08-2021 | 12:33 PM
#8043
Burning Brakes
Joined: Feb 2014
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From: Scottsdale
Not sure I would touch this car absent huge due diligence. Something just does not feel right here.
Robb Francis Sports car has this thing listed in New Jersey since at least 11-04-2020. They have it listed as sold, but it is back in another dealer's hands, albeit, more of a whole seller type of dealer now just 3 months later so one of two things stick out in my mind: (1) Robb Francis could not sell it and whole sold it to the current dealer listing it on PCA; or (2) Robb Francis sold it to an individual who found something wrong (perhaps core scoring) who immediately turned around and consigned it to the current seller on PCA Market.
The current seller seems to be more of a whole seller, consignment type of company. I am also leery of any dealer using PCA market. PCA Market seems to bring much less money for sellers and the BAT peanut gallery heavily scrutinize and brings things to attention about the cars listed.
PCA Market Seller was asked about DME and bore scoring. He answered about DME, but was painfully silent and completely ignored comment about bore scoring.
Robb Francis Sports car has this thing listed in New Jersey since at least 11-04-2020. They have it listed as sold, but it is back in another dealer's hands, albeit, more of a whole seller type of dealer now just 3 months later so one of two things stick out in my mind: (1) Robb Francis could not sell it and whole sold it to the current dealer listing it on PCA; or (2) Robb Francis sold it to an individual who found something wrong (perhaps core scoring) who immediately turned around and consigned it to the current seller on PCA Market.
The current seller seems to be more of a whole seller, consignment type of company. I am also leery of any dealer using PCA market. PCA Market seems to bring much less money for sellers and the BAT peanut gallery heavily scrutinize and brings things to attention about the cars listed.
PCA Market Seller was asked about DME and bore scoring. He answered about DME, but was painfully silent and completely ignored comment about bore scoring.
02-08-2021 | 04:20 PM
#8045
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From: Wisconsin
I've seen a few articles lately about the 997.2 being the last, best water-cooled "driver's" 911 before the 991 made the 911 into a grand tourer. That aside, there are articles pointing to the base 997.2 manual as a great sports car to buy.
02-08-2021 | 04:32 PM
#8046
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From: US
Originally Posted by Darkhorse
I guess "gearbox oil change" means it's a manual. I hope anybody with a 997 would say "PDK Service" otherwise. If it is, I think a base white 997.2 with 20K miles should bring mid forties, maybe $50K if it has all the desirable options and maintenance records. A fresh detail and a sunny day might get another $1000 or two from the right buyer.
I've seen a few articles lately about the 997.2 being the last, best water-cooled "driver's" 911 before the 991 made the 911 into a grand tourer. That aside, there are articles pointing to the base 997.2 manual as a great sports car to buy.
I've seen a few articles lately about the 997.2 being the last, best water-cooled "driver's" 911 before the 991 made the 911 into a grand tourer. That aside, there are articles pointing to the base 997.2 manual as a great sports car to buy.
02-08-2021 | 11:10 PM
#8047
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From: Destin, Nashville, In a 458 Challenge
@Doug H I thought the bore scoring was more of a factor on 997.1s. Is It an issue on 997.2s? A lot of the justifications I've read from folks about going .2 vs. .1 are IMs and bore scoring on the .1s (and maybe a more modern PCM and the DFFI engine). Haven't read anything about bore scoring on the 997.2s. In your experience, how likely an issue is it?
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02-09-2021 | 09:31 AM
#8048
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From: Atlanta, GA
Sanity Check:
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
02-09-2021 | 09:50 AM
#8049
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Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 331
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From: Carmel, Indiana
Sanity Check:
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
02-09-2021 | 10:23 AM
#8050
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Joined: Mar 2003
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From: Destin, Nashville, In a 458 Challenge
Sanity Check:
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
$39,000 seems like way too much to have into a 2005 with 93,000 miles. I would look for for an 07 or 08 for that price with 50,000 miles that was better taken care of and well sorted already. The liquidity and value of a 93k mile car will tank hard once you go over 100k miles.
I also would not purchase a lower priced car with 93,000 miles that has PCCBs. You could end up spending 1/3 to 1/2 the value of the car on just brakes then you have 100k mile car with $50,000 in it.
A buddy of mine has a silver 2007 with 44k miles on his lot now for $39k with steel brakes which are super cheap and east to replace.
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Last edited by Doug H; 02-09-2021 at 10:25 AM.
02-09-2021 | 12:50 PM
#8051
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02-09-2021 | 12:55 PM
#8052
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Joined: Mar 2003
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From: Destin, Nashville, In a 458 Challenge
Sanity Check:
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
I am about to get into a 05 C2S 6 Speed "Launch Edition(Adaptive seats, PCCB, Bose Nav ect)". Car has 93k miles, black on black and all OEM with no modifications. I am able to score for 32k. I've budgeted for IMS, Clutch, Flywheel, Water pump, Thermostat and Suspension Refresh all from PPI. After all repairs I'll most likely be in it about 36-38k. Does this seem good for a 997 C2S 6 Speed?
02-09-2021 | 03:34 PM
#8053
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02-09-2021 | 03:43 PM
#8054
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From: Carmel, Indiana
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