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Interesting that he is asking $75K on RL ad, and $72.9K on the PCA site ad.
that’s for sale at a small dealer near me in Tampa. They sometimes sell on consignment so I’m curious if it’s them who listed the car on PCA, or the actual owner.
Drove that same car (Walnut Creek) a couple weeks ago. Something is off (engine sound). Ding in front bumper. Weird smell inside. Definitely not worth the money they’re asking for. I test drive a super clean PDK car an hour and half later and that confirmed that the Walnut Creek car isn’t right. They don’t want to CPO it either, they’ve got their reasons 🤨
That price is crazy high considering the miles. 63,300 miles is a lot of miles on a 911 no matter how you slice it. Most get driven 3-4k miles a year. Deduct 50 cents a mile for 23,300 miles in my book. That's $11,650 markdown over a car with 40k miles. And it being at a branded Porsche dealer adds ZERO credibility to it being a good car. They know little about its life.
Quite possibly the highest optioned 997 Turbo in existence. MSRP $195K. The options list is interesting to look at. Many I never knew existed. Taste is subjective https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0CD2A94BS773216/
That is pretty much how I used to special order my turbo interiors in late 80s and 90s. This is definitely old school and does not work as well on the newer 911s. I am thinking the original owner is older like me.
That is pretty much how I used to special order my turbo interiors in late 80s and 90s. This is definitely old school and does not work as well on the newer 911s. I am thinking the original owner is older like me.
Agreed. Somehow as the cars get larger they don’t “carry” wild color combos quite as well.
Exclusive colors seem to have had a resurgence the past few years.
At least that car is a 997.2 Turbo S with the PDK...it can smoke all the haters!
996/997s are more common in fun colors & they’re usually Tiptronic.
There are many exceptions of course. Case in point for a great color that didn’t work well.
Last edited by Abe Froman; 11-03-2020 at 12:08 AM.
"That price is crazy high considering the miles. 63,300 miles is a lot of miles on a 911 no matter how you slice it. Most get driven 3-4k miles a year. Deduct 50 cents a mile for 23,300 miles in my book. That's $11,650 markdown over a car with 40k miles. And it being at a branded Porsche dealer adds ZERO credibility to it being a good car. They know little about its life"
I stand by that and you wouldn't pay $55k for it either. Or the $53k they just lowered it to. Or $50k. They will be lucky to get $47k but more likely $45k, A similar car with 43k miles sold for $55k including fees on BAT . https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-carrera-4s-4/
Deduct $10k for 20k miles as I stated and you are at $45k and the branded Porsche dealer wouldn't CPO it...most likely for a reason. And as someone else said the engine sounded like it had a problem and it was smelly to boot. I would run.
Now if you are banging on me for saying 63k is high miles on a Porsche....yea yea...I know there are guys with 120k mile cars but there are more that have had engine failures. Maybe it won't fail at 63k but if I can afford to stay away from that major repair crowd as much as possible I'm down for doing it. And you often don't get warnings on big repairs. It's the simple physics of wear and tear on a high-performance engine, transmission, and clutch. And a lot more than that. Many guys buy cars like that because they can AFFORD them. But can they afford what might go wrong?
I bought my first Porche in 1977 at the age of 19. I literally brought a pocketful of cash burning a hole in my pockets to buy a 911 from a guy selling it for a friend. He was a real Porsche guy, and honest. He asked how much money I was making at the time which was not much, and I already had a BMW 2002 that was costing me $$$ to keep running. He sat me down and said go buy a 914. Which I did. Good thing 'cause a few months later I had to replace the transmission on my 2002 and I was flat broke. Both cars suffered because my eyes were bigger than my pocketbook. That's what youth does.
"That price is crazy high considering the miles. 63,300 miles is a lot of miles on a 911 no matter how you slice it. Most get driven 3-4k miles a year. Deduct 50 cents a mile for 23,300 miles in my book. That's $11,650 markdown over a car with 40k miles. And it being at a branded Porsche dealer adds ZERO credibility to it being a good car. They know little about its life"
I stand by that and you wouldn't pay $55k for it either. Or the $53k they just lowered it to. Or $50k. They will be lucky to get $47k but more likely $45k, A similar car with 43k miles sold for $55k including fees on BAT . https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-carrera-4s-4/
Deduct $10k for 20k miles as I stated and you are at $45k and the branded Porsche dealer wouldn't CPO it...most likely for a reason. And as someone else said the engine sounded like it had a problem and it was smelly to boot. I would run.
Now if you are banging on me for saying 63k is high miles on a Porsche....yea yea...I know there are guys with 120k mile cars but there are more that have had engine failures. Maybe it won't fail at 63k but if I can afford to stay away from that major repair crowd as much as possible I'm down for doing it. And you often don't get warnings on big repairs. It's the simple physics of wear and tear on a high-performance engine, transmission, and clutch. And a lot more than that. Many guys buy cars like that because they can AFFORD them. But can they afford what might go wrong?
I bought my first Porche in 1977 at the age of 19. I literally brought a pocketful of cash burning a hole in my pockets to buy a 911 from a guy selling it for a friend. He was a real Porsche guy, and honest. He asked how much money I was making at the time which was not much, and I already had a BMW 2002 that was costing me $$$ to keep running. He sat me down and said go buy a 914. Which I did. Good thing 'cause a few months later I had to replace the transmission on my 2002 and I was flat broke. Both cars suffered because my eyes were bigger than my pocketbook. That's what youth does.
To be fair, that BAT car sold for $50k including the buyer premium and had some issues including collision on CarFax, rust underneath and etc. if I remember correctly. That car was perhaps an anomamoly and not a reflection of general market value for a good, clean car with no damage history.
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To be fair, that BAT car sold for $50k including the buyer premium and had some issues including collision on CarFax, rust underneath and etc. if I remember correctly. That car was perhaps an anomamoly and not a reflection of general market value for a good, clean car with no damage history.
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We were both off. $52,237.50 with fees. There was rust on a couple of bolts. The accident reportedly resulted in a new bumper cover. Not sure on the other car. But what is for sure is that they did not CPO it. And according to one Rennlister the engine sounded off and it smelled bad. If somebody wants to pay $53k for it party on. I think the right price is $47k .. I don't think the BAT car was an anomaly, It was marked down for not being a prime example.
We were both off. $52,237.50 with fees. There was rust on a couple of bolts. The accident reportedly resulted in a new bumper cover. Not sure on the other car. But what is for sure is that they did not CPO it. And according to one Rennlister the engine sounded off and it smelled bad. If somebody wants to pay $53k for it party on. I think the right price is $47k .. I don't think the BAT car was an anomaly, It was marked down for not being a prime example.
The other 2 recent 2009 C4Ss manauls on BAT were a C4S manual with 71,000 miles for that sold for $54k. The other has 31k miles and sold for $59k. If light damage to bumper cover as you state, $52k for a 2010 C4s manual with 43k miles is a good deal whether or not it meets your definition of anomaly . . . try to find another 2010 C4s Manual with less than 45k miles for $52k that only has a bump to the bumper cover.
There are 2 other manuals C4S with same mileage on Cars.com for upper $60s to lower $70s.
Miles look good, carfax is clean, little concerning about how long the car most likely sat in a garage without use and the time between the last oil change.. also the rotors and lock nuts look corroded. I've been looking at it for a while now, dig the full leather, not sure how Black on Black would fair in LA summers.....
Gave them a call and they said they would do a PPI within 6 miles, called WERKSII and spoke to Galen, said he has dealt with MDK before but didn't sound super enthus'ed about them.
Quite possibly the highest optioned 997 Turbo in existence. MSRP $195K. The options list is interesting to look at. Many I never knew existed. Taste is subjective https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0CD2A94BS773216/
Porsches are/were cheaper in the US market than in European market. A regular 997 Turbo (no cabriolet) heavily equipped but not as extravagant as this one was priced at 230.000 Euros (which was about $230.000 btw)
Porsches are/were cheaper in the US market than in European market. A regular 997 Turbo (no cabriolet) heavily equipped but not as extravagant as this one was priced at 230.000 Euros (which was about $230.000 btw)
That’s why I said optioned. In Euros the car would have been much more. Then again you folks probably have some monarch who orders his car trimmed with mastodon hide.
I'm curious of the consensus here for my car's value. Both for the super savvy that contribute to this thread and the larger market of potential buyers that might shop on car gurus or similar.
2007 997.1 C2S
Atlas grey on black
manual
57k mi
full factory x-51 kit
sports chrono, PCCB
clean carfax, full service history available, I'm the second owner.
11-01-2020 | 02:52 AM
