Upscale Audio

I'm thinking of getting a 997.2 GTS , C4S, or even a GT3 with MT. Coupe and MT only.

This 2012 GTS is nice. Dealer states the price is non-negotiable. $89K

https://www.allthingsporsches.com/20...ans.-c-189.htm

Any leads you guys know of?

EG997C2

I don't know what these guys are smoking. I know GTS prices have been on the rise but this is more then a similar 997.2 GT3 of the same vintage.

https://www.beverlyhillsporsche.com/...ab2a93cs721039

Greg964

For $90k get a Gt3 or turbo or even a 991 C2S. These GTS prices are getting ridiculous. Almost 2x the price of a 997.2 C2S for only 5% more power.

8Lug

He bought that car for no more than $75k. It was listed for that on Autotrader from the private seller he bought it from. I was going to buy it from the original seller but he took 5 days just to email some pics and then it appeared the car had a lot of fading from being outside it's whole life in the florida sun. It was not garaged. I didn't get a great feeling about it so passed and then saw that this dealer bought it and listed it for $15k more about 2 weeks later.

ThomasCarreraGTS

Thats a nice car and frankly, it will be worth that money to the right buyer. GTS prices are going up right now. And this conversation has been run into the ground so many times already, but it is not just the 408hp that makes the GTS so desirable. As has been documented so many times, the GTS was a limited run (2,265 worldwide production for 2011, 400 something for 2012 I believe) of a wide body rwd, naturally aspirated coupe with a 20 mm lowered bespoke suspension, enhanced styling and GT / Turbo type center lock wheels among the changes. It is not an apples to apples comparison with a Carrera S, no matter how much some S owners may want to convince themselves. Wide body and rwd on a street car is very rare in the Porsche world. And the GT3, while an amazing car which I have driven many times on track, is not suitable for everyday use as a daily. Yes, this car was for sale back in November, at a silly low number (which I documented at the time on VINWiki) and subsequently bought by this dealer and listed at a top of the market price. Look at other nice GTS modes for sale, and being that this is a low volume car and has a manual transmission which is all the craze right now, someone will buy this car and love every moment with it. And going forward, the price will continue to climb.

MexicoBlueTurboS

Very annoying loud chirp from the "How can I help" pop up there. And yes - that is a ridiculous price.

JT77

Anyone here picking this up? Seems like a great buy.

Skyhawk172

some one has it on a hold

Upscale Audio

Dude you rock. Thanks for the heads up!

raidersfan

Dude at that dealer is SHADY! He wanted to buy my 991.2, asked me to pull the ad down because "he had to prepay for shipping" which is a lie. That loser cost me a lot of time. In the end, he said "sorry, shipping will be several thousand, I can't afford the car". Yeah right, we all know that shipping a car 700 miles is not several thousand bucks. He thought he had the car sold and that he could flip it to his buyer, hence the reason he wanted me to delete the ad. Moral of story:

1) never pull a car off the market without a deposit
2) don't do business with All Things Porsche

raidersfan

A guy sold a lower mile GTS on the PCA forums for $74k last month. Same build, although platinum silver.

I suppose if some sucker will pay $89k, then it is worth that. More power to them. That dealer last summer who got the Mahogany GTS from the forum here had it for sale forever! Lots of buyers at $75k, dreaming at $86k.

I would much rather own a GT3 or Turbo for that money. $90k will buy a 2009 Turbo in a bad-*** color! GTS pricing is purely speculation at this point: any car that exists in numbers of 2500 will not be worth a premium, not when everyone says "hey, that will be worth a ton someday". Those numbers rival the GT4, which were also a bubble: look where the GT4 market is now! Same with GT3 manuals; Down by nearly $20k. It is another Ken Griffey Jr. Upper Deck Rookie. I was super stoked to get that card out of the pack: it was worth $80 at the time, and everyone who had one was going to pay for their first car with that card someday. Nowadays, I might get $20 for it!

I would probably pay an extra 10 grand over an equivalent C2S, as it is a cool car. I would expect them to continue to command a $10k premium over an equivalent C2S, which is about where they are at now. If you have one, just go drive it; you can probably drive it for dang near free. Just don't expect to be able to pay for your kid's college fund by keeping one in the garage.

raidersfan

that is ridiculous. I had the chance to buy a 2012 GTS 4 coupe in midnight blue with sport seats and CL's (manual), CPO'd last year for $72,900, but it had 38,500 miles, not 30k. It was a reasonable buy, but I didn't want a 4 this time around.

Then again, there are plenty of people out there with more money than they know what to do with. The same, say 3 carat H color VS2 diamond, ideally cut, could be anywhere from $65,000 to $320,000, depending on whether it is being sold at Whiteflash or Harry Winston. Most shoppers are clueless and don't understand that they are buying the same product either way: what makes buying cars any different?

raidersfan

While you are at it, please tell them to stop ruining the front bumpers of our beautiful 911s!

mujeriega

At the end of the day, it's just like real estate, you just have to find that one sucker who is willing to pay the price.

LISsailor

I think your post is valid but you totally lost me on the $10k premium for a GTS over a C2S, all else being the same. That’s just not true and not what the market says. C2S are readily available, even more so in PDK. The market shrinks for the C4S and substantially more for the GTS. If the changes are not worth it to you, you’ve saved yourself some coin. But please do not lump together your priorities with everyone else’s.