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02-04-2019, 03:20 AM
#4396
I thought all turbos have the Mezger engine?
02-04-2019, 09:27 AM
#4397
Intermediate
Especially now that the bar has been raised on the 991 from a power and performance standpoint. It is a tough argument to favor a TTS or 997.2 TT (non-Mezger). For $95k you can get a:
1) low mile 2011 TTS; everything awesome is standard. 0-60 in 2.8, Laguna Seca lap time of 1:40. No manual available. Heavy car.
2) low mile 2017 Carrera S with sport options (RWS, Sport PASM). Remaining factory warranty. 0-60 3.1 seconds, Laguna Seca time of 1:36 (3% faster). Lighter, more fun car than the TTS. Manual available.
From a performance standpoint, it is no contest. What does the TTS do better than the C2S at the same price? It isn't the classic Mezger, and it isn't a manual. At least a manual can be had on the C2S. it will depreciate just as much initially, even used; a TTS has already lost 1/2 of its value. A 15,000 mile 2017 C2S may be only worth 1/2 of its value in 2025 as well, but there is a big difference between 1/2 of $130k and 1/2 of $185k.
I suppose I should ask: outside of cachet, what does a TTS offer that a 2017 C2S doesn't? The bit more "raw" experience is much diminished by the car being 4WD; I would argue a 991.2 is more "raw" at the limit. Cosmetics? Those are personal opinion, but I do like the turbo bodywork. Luxury? The C2S can be ordered up with just as much leather and goodies as the TTS has standard.
If I were looking at a DD, I would look at a TTS at sub 80k. Otherwise, it is newer platform all the way! I would be all over a 997.1 manual, but so is everyone else!
What do y'all think?
1) low mile 2011 TTS; everything awesome is standard. 0-60 in 2.8, Laguna Seca lap time of 1:40. No manual available. Heavy car.
2) low mile 2017 Carrera S with sport options (RWS, Sport PASM). Remaining factory warranty. 0-60 3.1 seconds, Laguna Seca time of 1:36 (3% faster). Lighter, more fun car than the TTS. Manual available.
From a performance standpoint, it is no contest. What does the TTS do better than the C2S at the same price? It isn't the classic Mezger, and it isn't a manual. At least a manual can be had on the C2S. it will depreciate just as much initially, even used; a TTS has already lost 1/2 of its value. A 15,000 mile 2017 C2S may be only worth 1/2 of its value in 2025 as well, but there is a big difference between 1/2 of $130k and 1/2 of $185k.
I suppose I should ask: outside of cachet, what does a TTS offer that a 2017 C2S doesn't? The bit more "raw" experience is much diminished by the car being 4WD; I would argue a 991.2 is more "raw" at the limit. Cosmetics? Those are personal opinion, but I do like the turbo bodywork. Luxury? The C2S can be ordered up with just as much leather and goodies as the TTS has standard.
If I were looking at a DD, I would look at a TTS at sub 80k. Otherwise, it is newer platform all the way! I would be all over a 997.1 manual, but so is everyone else!
What do y'all think?
@raidersfan is that why something like this:
https://www.ryanfriedmanmotorcars.com/2012-porsche-911-gts-c-512.htm
...is $98997?
I knowkRyan has a reputation for dealing in great cars but this one seems like $10k -$15k too much.
Will all the existing newer 991's now that .2 is out start to push 997 prices down furtherfor do you think an aero, PASMP, Alcantara del, manual, 2 wheel drive with 2900 miles is worth +$95k?
Cheers from a newbie trying not to get ripped off.
02-04-2019, 01:36 PM
#4398
Gents,
Visiting this subforum from my typical 996TT haunts.
My sister's neighbor is selling his manual 43K mile '05 997 C2S Cab, Black/tan, full leather. A generally nice car, dealer maintained, currently just spends a lot of time in the guy's garage. What does the braintrust here think re: pricing guidance?
Thanks,
Joe
Visiting this subforum from my typical 996TT haunts.
My sister's neighbor is selling his manual 43K mile '05 997 C2S Cab, Black/tan, full leather. A generally nice car, dealer maintained, currently just spends a lot of time in the guy's garage. What does the braintrust here think re: pricing guidance?
Thanks,
Joe
Last edited by Evolution; 02-04-2019 at 02:11 PM.
02-04-2019, 02:01 PM
#4399
Rennlist Member
missing most important detail here, transmission?
Gents,
Visiting this subforum from my typical 996TT haunts.
My sister's neighbor is selling his 43K mile '05 997 C2S Cab, Black/tan, full leather. A generally nice car, dealer maintained, currently just spends a lot of time in the guy's garage. What does the braintrust here think re: pricing guidance?
Thanks,
Joe
Visiting this subforum from my typical 996TT haunts.
My sister's neighbor is selling his 43K mile '05 997 C2S Cab, Black/tan, full leather. A generally nice car, dealer maintained, currently just spends a lot of time in the guy's garage. What does the braintrust here think re: pricing guidance?
Thanks,
Joe
02-04-2019, 02:12 PM
#4400
02-04-2019, 02:25 PM
#4401
2005 are an iffy cars, does it have the small or large bearing? Do people prefer small bearings that are replaceable or ones that are non replaceable? Then there's the cabriolet preference...
02-04-2019, 03:27 PM
#4403
Burning Brakes
It's the GT3s that retained the Mezger through the 997.2 model years due to homologation rules. The 2009 997.2 Turbo had the Mezger and is considered desirable due to the updated cabin and electronics with the old school engine. In 2010 the Turbo switched to the 9A1.
02-04-2019, 07:21 PM
#4404
Thanks for educating me on the mezger gentlemen. I've heard a lot of good things about this engine
02-05-2019, 03:28 PM
#4406
Especially now that the bar has been raised on the 991 from a power and performance standpoint. It is a tough argument to favor a TTS or 997.2 TT (non-Mezger). For $95k you can get a:
1) low mile 2011 TTS; everything awesome is standard. 0-60 in 2.8, Laguna Seca lap time of 1:40. No manual available. Heavy car.
2) low mile 2017 Carrera S with sport options (RWS, Sport PASM). Remaining factory warranty. 0-60 3.1 seconds, Laguna Seca time of 1:36 (3% faster). Lighter, more fun car than the TTS. Manual available.
From a performance standpoint, it is no contest. What does the TTS do better than the C2S at the same price? It isn't the classic Mezger, and it isn't a manual. At least a manual can be had on the C2S. it will depreciate just as much initially, even used; a TTS has already lost 1/2 of its value. A 15,000 mile 2017 C2S may be only worth 1/2 of its value in 2025 as well, but there is a big difference between 1/2 of $130k and 1/2 of $185k.
I suppose I should ask: outside of cachet, what does a TTS offer that a 2017 C2S doesn't? The bit more "raw" experience is much diminished by the car being 4WD; I would argue a 991.2 is more "raw" at the limit. Cosmetics? Those are personal opinion, but I do like the turbo bodywork. Luxury? The C2S can be ordered up with just as much leather and goodies as the TTS has standard.
If I were looking at a DD, I would look at a TTS at sub 80k. Otherwise, it is newer platform all the way! I would be all over a 997.1 manual, but so is everyone else!
What do y'all think?
1) low mile 2011 TTS; everything awesome is standard. 0-60 in 2.8, Laguna Seca lap time of 1:40. No manual available. Heavy car.
2) low mile 2017 Carrera S with sport options (RWS, Sport PASM). Remaining factory warranty. 0-60 3.1 seconds, Laguna Seca time of 1:36 (3% faster). Lighter, more fun car than the TTS. Manual available.
From a performance standpoint, it is no contest. What does the TTS do better than the C2S at the same price? It isn't the classic Mezger, and it isn't a manual. At least a manual can be had on the C2S. it will depreciate just as much initially, even used; a TTS has already lost 1/2 of its value. A 15,000 mile 2017 C2S may be only worth 1/2 of its value in 2025 as well, but there is a big difference between 1/2 of $130k and 1/2 of $185k.
I suppose I should ask: outside of cachet, what does a TTS offer that a 2017 C2S doesn't? The bit more "raw" experience is much diminished by the car being 4WD; I would argue a 991.2 is more "raw" at the limit. Cosmetics? Those are personal opinion, but I do like the turbo bodywork. Luxury? The C2S can be ordered up with just as much leather and goodies as the TTS has standard.
If I were looking at a DD, I would look at a TTS at sub 80k. Otherwise, it is newer platform all the way! I would be all over a 997.1 manual, but so is everyone else!
What do y'all think?
I think the fascia of the 991.1 is quite unattractive. I could only overlook it for a Turbo or GT3. 991.2 fixes it though.
Also, I'd say a 997 TTS has a much higher power ceiling if someone wants to tune it.
I want PDK next, but I guess I'm one of the few.
Anything pushing into the $100k range I would lean towards 991's as well, especially for a DD, but ultimately it depends on the car and the spec.
Though I would take that stunning Gray Black 997.2 TTS that was posted recently for $109k ($210k msrp) over any 991.2 Carrera.
02-08-2019, 01:48 PM
#4407
Good driver opportunity perhaps? It looks overpriced initially, as it has "new" damage from some point in the past, and also had to have the front bumper refinished and some new hardware underneath due to running over a parking lot curb, but a friend looked into it and said the guy is flexible on price. What do you think? Mid 30's?
https://portland.craigslist.org/yam/...801143917.html
https://portland.craigslist.org/yam/...801143917.html
What did your friend think about mechanicals? I'm looking for less a garage queen and more a DE car...
02-08-2019, 01:53 PM
#4408
Used Lightstream on my 06 997S. Had an approval within an hour and they never asked what type of car, vin, mileage, etc anything. Just how much you want and for how long
02-08-2019, 02:15 PM
#4409
Drifting
I'm always surprised to see people repeat that "nobody lends money for older cars" thing. Credit unions have been doing that forever, and typically at better rates than the big corporate banks.
02-08-2019, 05:08 PM
#4410
Yep, I have used Lightstream twice with the same experience. Near instant approval and no questions about the car. Assuming your credit is good enough, the loans are unsecured, which means you still hold the title with no lien required.