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11-18-2017, 09:35 AM
#1861
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I am constantly on the look out for 911s to flip, but the wholesale and auction market is a blood bath right now. Nothing but poor quality selling for dang near retail on Manheim here recently. We purchased our current 997.2 cab to drive over the summer than flip, but other than that . . . the market ain't great if you are looking to make money. Margins have gotten painfully tight for my buddies that actually do this stuff for a living and do large scale purchasing for multiple high end lots across the country.
11-18-2017, 09:46 AM
#1862
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Just scanned Manheim and almost everything has wholesale purchase and bid prices well above MMR. Here is an example as I looked for a C4S for the guy who just started a thread about driving one for a PPI and the serpentine belt breaking. Below is the only 2007 C4S I saw on Manheim and the buy now is $46,750 with an MMR of $40,000.
2007 Porsche 911 CARRERA 4S * WP0AB29987S732614
2007 Porsche 911 CARRERA 4S * WP0AB29987S732614
Nov 17 04:00 pm
OVE (7 Hours 20 Minutes)
Odometer 52,300 mi 6 Cylinder Manual
CR 4.5AutoCheck CARFAX
Workbook WorkbookPickup FL - Ocoee
Facilitation FL - Manheim Orlando
$46,750
Silver Black
Odometer 52,300 mi 6 Cylinder Manual
CR 4.5AutoCheck CARFAX
Workbook Workbook
Facilitation FL - Manheim Orlando
5.0
24 vehicles sold in 12 months
24 vehicles sold in 12 months
- Sales
5.0 - Arbitration5.0
- Fulfilled Sales5.0
Adj MMR
$40,000
Buy Now
$40,000
Buy Now
$46,750
11-18-2017, 04:45 PM
#1863
Race Car
997.1 cars have stopped depreciating for some time and some have gone up. Super clean low mile examples are still selling in the low 40's now just as they did 3+ years ago.
11-18-2017, 05:00 PM
#1864
Just scanned Manheim and almost everything has wholesale purchase and bid prices well above MMR. Here is an example as I looked for a C4S for the guy who just started a thread about driving one for a PPI and the serpentine belt breaking. Below is the only 2007 C4S I saw on Manheim and the buy now is $46,750 with an MMR of $40,000.
2007 Porsche 911 CARRERA 4S * WP0AB29987S732614
2007 Porsche 911 CARRERA 4S * WP0AB29987S732614
Nov 17 04:00 pm
OVE (7 Hours 20 Minutes)
Odometer 52,300 mi 6 Cylinder Manual
CR 4.5AutoCheck CARFAX
Workbook WorkbookPickup FL - Ocoee
Facilitation FL - Manheim Orlando
$46,750
Silver Black
Odometer 52,300 mi 6 Cylinder Manual
CR 4.5AutoCheck CARFAX
Workbook Workbook
Facilitation FL - Manheim Orlando
5.0
24 vehicles sold in 12 months
24 vehicles sold in 12 months
- Sales
5.0 - Arbitration5.0
- Fulfilled Sales5.0
Adj MMR
$40,000
Buy Now
$40,000
Buy Now
$46,750
11-18-2017, 05:39 PM
#1865
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11-18-2017, 05:56 PM
#1866
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997.2 vs 997.1 IMHO
I'm sorry, I cannot find that old post. The Porsche 997 is an excellent sports car. The 997.1 was a primarily cosmetic redesign of the 996.2. Porsche usually upgrades cosmetics with new model numbers and mechanicals with the succeeding .2 versions. The 997.2 built upon the 997.1 cosmetics by dramatically upgrading the mechanicals and electronics.
I can't rehash my old post from memory, but I can hit a few highlights. My opinions assume that you have the financial option of buying either model. IMHO, the 997.2 is the better investment, given our definition of that term.
The post focused on my beliefs that if you spend $5k to upgrade a 997.1, it is still a 997.1. My decision was to spend an extra $10k for the car I wanted without any upgrades required.
There are innumerable improvements that will maintain the legitimate perception of the 997.2 cars as more desirable in the future. I believe 997.2 S and C4S are the epitome of the water-cooled normally-aspirated 911 sports cars. The 991s are grand tourers; there is a big difference. I have driven both and the 997.2 is more visceral; I like it better. In 2009, Porsche released the DFI engines. These are a major upgrade; they are more reliable, no IMS, have better performance, more HP and TQ, and they get better gas mileage. I have a C4S six-speed, a big change in 2009 was the use of the turbo's AWD system. That is a huge upgrade and makes the 997.2 AWD cars more desirable; worth reading up on if you are considering an AWD. If you choose to go with an automatic, the PDK transmission is miles ahead of the old Tiptronic. For creature comforts, the 997.2 cars have Bluetooth connectivity and a hands free phone. Satellite radio is standard. I like the PCM center better without the push button phone pad; I cannot imagine that ever being useful.
So, IMHO, buying a 997.2 car, especially an S, will provide a better ownership and driving experience for the foreseeable future and repay you in the end with increased resale value. I love mine. The confidence I have while driving as well as my pride of ownership contributes to my ownership experience. Watching resale values for the .2 cars so far confirms my belief that otheyhold value better than .1 cars.
11-18-2017, 06:31 PM
#1867
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The price seems reasonable but that is a really stripped example. Next to zero options it seems. 3 owner car. What's your budget?
11-18-2017, 07:11 PM
#1868
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Doesn't seem that spartan to me; it has Bose, Xenons and Navi which are probably the 3 things I'd look for. Its right on my budget to be honest, I was looking at 996s and this one popped up.
Build sheet: https://admin.porschedealer.com/repo...CA29986S756647
267 Self Dimming Mirrors
342 Heated Front Seats
407 19" Sport Design Wheel
446 Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
482 TPMS 670 Navigation for PCM
680 Bose High End Sound Package
692 Remote CD Changer (6 Disc)
AN Black Standard Leather
CDH Door Finishers Painted Ext Clr
CDM Trim Strip Painted Ext Clr
CDP Instr Surround Painted Ext Clr
M6A Black Mats - Porsche lettering
P15 Power Seat Package
P74 Bi-Xenon Headlamp Package
V9 Black Top
X1 Arctic Silver Metallic
Z0997 Custom Tailoring
Build sheet: https://admin.porschedealer.com/repo...CA29986S756647
267 Self Dimming Mirrors
342 Heated Front Seats
407 19" Sport Design Wheel
446 Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
482 TPMS 670 Navigation for PCM
680 Bose High End Sound Package
692 Remote CD Changer (6 Disc)
AN Black Standard Leather
CDH Door Finishers Painted Ext Clr
CDM Trim Strip Painted Ext Clr
CDP Instr Surround Painted Ext Clr
M6A Black Mats - Porsche lettering
P15 Power Seat Package
P74 Bi-Xenon Headlamp Package
V9 Black Top
X1 Arctic Silver Metallic
Z0997 Custom Tailoring
11-18-2017, 07:47 PM
#1869
Watching prices and also with a few friends buying-selling. One PCA guy got $39k locally for a Atlas Grey, 55k mile 997.1 C2S in April 2016 on trade. That is about retail now, trade would be $34-35k.
If you go back 2 years and look at a 997.2 manual, and compare prices now (on a C2S or C4S); you won't see much if any change.
If you go back 2 years and look at a 997.2 manual, and compare prices now (on a C2S or C4S); you won't see much if any change.
11-18-2017, 07:49 PM
#1870
Burning Brakes
I am constantly on the look out for 911s to flip, but the wholesale and auction market is a blood bath right now. Nothing but poor quality selling for dang near retail on Manheim here recently. We purchased our current 997.2 cab to drive over the summer than flip, but other than that . . . the market ain't great if you are looking to make money. Margins have gotten painfully tight for my buddies that actually do this stuff for a living and do large scale purchasing for multiple high end lots across the country.
This is why I asked dawgcatching why he felt prices were dropping. I think at some point the early 991 have got to drop enough in price and then maybe our 997.1's will take a hit.
11-18-2017, 07:50 PM
#1871
IMHO - disclaimer - I bought a 2009 997.2 six-speed C4S Cabriolet in January, 2017
I'm sorry, I cannot find that old post. The Porsche 997 is an excellent sports car. The 997.1 was a primarily cosmetic redesign of the 996.2. Porsche usually upgrades cosmetics with new model numbers and mechanicals with the succeeding .2 versions. The 997.2 built upon the 997.1 cosmetics by dramatically upgrading the mechanicals and electronics.
I can't rehash my old post from memory, but I can hit a few highlights. My opinions assume that you have the financial option of buying either model. IMHO, the 997.2 is the better investment, given our definition of that term.
The post focused on my beliefs that if you spend $5k to upgrade a 997.1, it is still a 997.1. My decision was to spend an extra $10k for the car I wanted without any upgrades required.
There are innumerable improvements that will maintain the legitimate perception of the 997.2 cars as more desirable in the future. I believe 997.2 S and C4S are the epitome of the water-cooled normally-aspirated 911 sports cars. The 991s are grand tourers; there is a big difference. I have driven both and the 997.2 is more visceral; I like it better. In 2009, Porsche released the DFI engines. These are a major upgrade; they are more reliable, no IMS, have better performance, more HP and TQ, and they get better gas mileage. I have a C4S six-speed, a big change in 2009 was the use of the turbo's AWD system. That is a huge upgrade and makes the 997.2 AWD cars more desirable; worth reading up on if you are considering an AWD. If you choose to go with an automatic, the PDK transmission is miles ahead of the old Tiptronic. For creature comforts, the 997.2 cars have Bluetooth connectivity and a hands free phone. Satellite radio is standard. I like the PCM center better without the push button phone pad; I cannot imagine that ever being useful.
So, IMHO, buying a 997.2 car, especially an S, will provide a better ownership and driving experience for the foreseeable future and repay you in the end with increased resale value. I love mine. The confidence I have while driving as well as my pride of ownership contributes to my ownership experience. Watching resale values for the .2 cars so far confirms my belief that otheyhold value better than .1 cars.
I'm sorry, I cannot find that old post. The Porsche 997 is an excellent sports car. The 997.1 was a primarily cosmetic redesign of the 996.2. Porsche usually upgrades cosmetics with new model numbers and mechanicals with the succeeding .2 versions. The 997.2 built upon the 997.1 cosmetics by dramatically upgrading the mechanicals and electronics.
I can't rehash my old post from memory, but I can hit a few highlights. My opinions assume that you have the financial option of buying either model. IMHO, the 997.2 is the better investment, given our definition of that term.
The post focused on my beliefs that if you spend $5k to upgrade a 997.1, it is still a 997.1. My decision was to spend an extra $10k for the car I wanted without any upgrades required.
There are innumerable improvements that will maintain the legitimate perception of the 997.2 cars as more desirable in the future. I believe 997.2 S and C4S are the epitome of the water-cooled normally-aspirated 911 sports cars. The 991s are grand tourers; there is a big difference. I have driven both and the 997.2 is more visceral; I like it better. In 2009, Porsche released the DFI engines. These are a major upgrade; they are more reliable, no IMS, have better performance, more HP and TQ, and they get better gas mileage. I have a C4S six-speed, a big change in 2009 was the use of the turbo's AWD system. That is a huge upgrade and makes the 997.2 AWD cars more desirable; worth reading up on if you are considering an AWD. If you choose to go with an automatic, the PDK transmission is miles ahead of the old Tiptronic. For creature comforts, the 997.2 cars have Bluetooth connectivity and a hands free phone. Satellite radio is standard. I like the PCM center better without the push button phone pad; I cannot imagine that ever being useful.
So, IMHO, buying a 997.2 car, especially an S, will provide a better ownership and driving experience for the foreseeable future and repay you in the end with increased resale value. I love mine. The confidence I have while driving as well as my pride of ownership contributes to my ownership experience. Watching resale values for the .2 cars so far confirms my belief that otheyhold value better than .1 cars.
11-18-2017, 08:02 PM
#1872
Burning Brakes
IMHO - disclaimer - I bought a 2009 997.2 six-speed C4S Cabriolet in January, 2017
I'm sorry, I cannot find that old post. The Porsche 997 is an excellent sports car. The 997.1 was a primarily cosmetic redesign of the 996.2. Porsche usually upgrades cosmetics with new model numbers and mechanicals with the succeeding .2 versions. The 997.2 built upon the 997.1 cosmetics by dramatically upgrading the mechanicals and electronics.
I can't rehash my old post from memory, but I can hit a few highlights. My opinions assume that you have the financial option of buying either model. IMHO, the 997.2 is the better investment, given our definition of that term.
The post focused on my beliefs that if you spend $5k to upgrade a 997.1, it is still a 997.1. My decision was to spend an extra $10k for the car I wanted without any upgrades required.
There are innumerable improvements that will maintain the legitimate perception of the 997.2 cars as more desirable in the future. I believe 997.2 S and C4S are the epitome of the water-cooled normally-aspirated 911 sports cars. The 991s are grand tourers; there is a big difference. I have driven both and the 997.2 is more visceral; I like it better. In 2009, Porsche released the DFI engines. These are a major upgrade; they are more reliable, no IMS, have better performance, more HP and TQ, and they get better gas mileage. I have a C4S six-speed, a big change in 2009 was the use of the turbo's AWD system. That is a huge upgrade and makes the 997.2 AWD cars more desirable; worth reading up on if you are considering an AWD. If you choose to go with an automatic, the PDK transmission is miles ahead of the old Tiptronic. For creature comforts, the 997.2 cars have Bluetooth connectivity and a hands free phone. Satellite radio is standard. I like the PCM center better without the push button phone pad; I cannot imagine that ever being useful.
So, IMHO, buying a 997.2 car, especially an S, will provide a better ownership and driving experience for the foreseeable future and repay you in the end with increased resale value. I love mine. The confidence I have while driving as well as my pride of ownership contributes to my ownership experience. Watching resale values for the .2 cars so far confirms my belief that otheyhold value better than .1 cars.
I'm sorry, I cannot find that old post. The Porsche 997 is an excellent sports car. The 997.1 was a primarily cosmetic redesign of the 996.2. Porsche usually upgrades cosmetics with new model numbers and mechanicals with the succeeding .2 versions. The 997.2 built upon the 997.1 cosmetics by dramatically upgrading the mechanicals and electronics.
I can't rehash my old post from memory, but I can hit a few highlights. My opinions assume that you have the financial option of buying either model. IMHO, the 997.2 is the better investment, given our definition of that term.
The post focused on my beliefs that if you spend $5k to upgrade a 997.1, it is still a 997.1. My decision was to spend an extra $10k for the car I wanted without any upgrades required.
There are innumerable improvements that will maintain the legitimate perception of the 997.2 cars as more desirable in the future. I believe 997.2 S and C4S are the epitome of the water-cooled normally-aspirated 911 sports cars. The 991s are grand tourers; there is a big difference. I have driven both and the 997.2 is more visceral; I like it better. In 2009, Porsche released the DFI engines. These are a major upgrade; they are more reliable, no IMS, have better performance, more HP and TQ, and they get better gas mileage. I have a C4S six-speed, a big change in 2009 was the use of the turbo's AWD system. That is a huge upgrade and makes the 997.2 AWD cars more desirable; worth reading up on if you are considering an AWD. If you choose to go with an automatic, the PDK transmission is miles ahead of the old Tiptronic. For creature comforts, the 997.2 cars have Bluetooth connectivity and a hands free phone. Satellite radio is standard. I like the PCM center better without the push button phone pad; I cannot imagine that ever being useful.
So, IMHO, buying a 997.2 car, especially an S, will provide a better ownership and driving experience for the foreseeable future and repay you in the end with increased resale value. I love mine. The confidence I have while driving as well as my pride of ownership contributes to my ownership experience. Watching resale values for the .2 cars so far confirms my belief that otheyhold value better than .1 cars.
I've seen some great deals on 997.2 base and I'm wondering how long that will last.
11-18-2017, 10:48 PM
#1873
11-18-2017, 10:56 PM
#1874
It is a lot of car for high 30's/low 40's.
11-20-2017, 02:40 PM
#1875
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