alexb76

What took you so long, Mr. Troll?!

Palmbeacher

Perhaps not if someday you were to actually succeed at one of those attempts.

LastMezger

I have a lot of experience at failing to install car seats in the 997. I bought a Radian XT (very narrow but still with a steel frame) and the Baby Safety Superstore tried twice...for hours but just couldn't get it secure. And By secure I mean it should be virtually one with the car. Shake the seat and the car moves.

I then bought the Porsche seat (not sold in Canada) had it shipped up (expensive shipping and duties) and it does not fit any better.

The problem is that the rear seatbelt receptacles are tall and rigid and there's not enough downward pressure on the frame. It's not going to come out of the car but you don't want it flailing around in a side impact either. Front to rear notion is secure but side to side is not.

The 991 has the LATCH anchors (like every other car since 2001...Porsche sought and received an exemption) and you can secure a seat properly.

That said...there isn't a whole lot of room for the front seat passenger. I think the front seat was all the way at the front of its track.

A big part of the problem is that a todler's legs stick straight out as they aren't long enough to bend over the seat edge.

Either car can easily accommodate a booster seat but from what I understand 40lbs is the minimum safe weight, 48-inches tall and that puts most kids at 5+ years.

I would suggest just the opposite. The 911 has been a compromised car from day one that's less comfortable and practical than many of it's competitors. IMHO most people that have bought them are not poseurs but rather enthusiasts...who else would put up with the shortcomings. Hence the now more comfortable 991 (an evolution that's been taking place since day one if you look at each successive model's more tolerable demeanor.)

The good news is that there are still the GT cars if you want to feel like your hair is on fire on the way to get milk. Which I do;-)

Yes, this requires an immediate intervention. Maybe point him to the Edmunds article that shows the Avengers NSX was nothing but a clapped out NSX with 200,000 miles and foam bits glued to it...

Most people I spoke with felt it looked...like a Porsche. Side by side with a silver 997 99.9% of society wouldn't have a clue.

Don't get me wrong...the RS wasn't a Lincoln. The biggest problem would probaly be road noise on a long highway commute. Whether clutch chatter, diff noises and suspension clanking bothers you or not is entirely up to you.

LastMezger

Suns_PSD

Forget what I said and check this out:

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ml#post9691437

Might actually work!

perfectlap

pendulus cornering has never remotely appealed to me, certainly not for a net draw on lap time vs. mid. But the rawness of the GT3 has been undeniable. On that alone a second hand GT3 is smelling like a bargain relative to the next generation 911 pricing aimed at Chinese billionaires apparently. Somebody in charge of the 991 project must be sitting on a stash of GT3's he wants to unload.

As far as styling, now that the 991 looks even less like a 911 (longer than corvette, muted hips, cockpit reminscent of crusie ship captain's chair) and more like a bloated Jaguar.... the 997 GT3's looks even more compelling. Hold onto them... they may become to Carrera what e46 was to M3. As good as it gets for a driver.

LastMezger

I see a Boxster is your Avatar...best handling car I've ever driven. I don't know why 911 guys get so touchy about that. With the same power a Boxster is the faster platform.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...the next gen Boxster/Cayman are the sports cars, the Carrera is the GT and the GT cars are the supercars.

If you think the 991 is pricey imagine what the next GT2RS will be priced at (was $312,000 in Canada!).

918 I guess then becomes hypercar;-)

Mike in CA

One of the most reasonable comments I've seen in this entire 997/991 discussion. We may argue over rear deck lettering, bulging headlight lenses, and the shape of the center console, but in the larger scheme of things, and to the world at large, these issues are incredibly trivial. I know this is what enthusiasts are supposed to do, but we have to admit it's still nuts.

As Porsche owners there's far more common ground here than there are differences. But apparently we'd rather be goading and insulting each another over transmission choice, so carry on.......

BTW, nice review Sharpman.

Waxer

Spokane5150

Might as well talk some shyt too.

Palmbeacher

To "the world at large" a viscous mixture of water, high-fructose corn syrup, guar gum, carageenan, vegetable oils, artificial flavour and colour is a milk-shake. Despite what you may believe, just because "the world at large" is more easily duped than the average dog doesn't make it a virtue to submit to being dumbed-down.

utkinpol

if you want a car that will be used mostly for street driving - get 991 C2S.
if you will use car 95% on the track - get RS. I do not think you will like RS car on the street much, other than for some social events it will not be very convinient.

991 cars got good new engines, plenty of power, they are good cars. Aspects that make them a concern for those who beat those cars on the track got litte to do with a 'normal' way how those cars were envisioned to be used.
I also think 991 motor will probably have more torque in the 2k-4k RPM 'for street' segment.

where RS shines is the geometry of suspension, wider track, stance, a lot of optimizations for track performance, aero, etc. none of it matters for street.

I in my stubborn opinion still prefer 997.2 GTS car to any of newer 991 C2S. GTS is proven by now, it is good design, only benefit of 991 is the dynamic 'sway bar' system they developed, it is a revolution on those cars, but, all the rest they changed i do not care about much.

LastMezger

I don't know that I've ever been accused of being reasonable before;-)

You really hit the nail on the head with your second statement. This is a 911. It might be a more comfortable 911 but it's a heckuva lot closer to any previous 911 than any other car on the road. If you got in it blindfolded and drove (not advisable;-) you'd know it's a 911.

See above. Still a 911.

Purely subjective seat-of-the-pants the 3.4 in the base C2 didn't feel as torquey at the 3.6 in my 2007. Very noticeable lack of low end. You really need to work it...which can be fun!

Palmbeacher

That could easily be said of every generation since the original, but if you take a look at today's prices of the 993 vs 996 it's clear that for the cognoscenti, a new generation merely being recognisible as a Porsche isn't a very impressive credential.

LastMezger

I wouldn't say merely.

Palmbeacher

Actually I happen to agree with you, but ironically it makes matters worse for me. If Porsche had bodged the 991 to the bone it would be a simple matter to write it off as another casualty to the times. But the 991 is so brilliant in most ways, that a handful of egregious gaffes distracts mightily from the execution. Many of them can, and hopefully will be rectified in the next generation, or perhaps even in the next model year. Or perhaps by aftermarket cottage industry with better sight for aesthetics and ergonomics than the MBA suits in-charge at Porsche. A redesigned console, elegant and simple, which repositions the MT gear lever in keeping with human anatomy. A rheostatic switch for the e-brake so that it could be released in modulation whilst starting up-hill. A roll of dental floss and some polishing compound to sort the tacky rear-deck badging. I'm certain some aftermarket firm can engineer a proper steering rack to replace the electric servo. I've no quarrel with the changes to the body. I quite understand the need for differentiating new from old when one is speaking of an automobile which is for many nothing more than a status-symbol.