I drove my 997 back-to-back with 991 and GT3RS
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Indeed...completely subjective. What else can account for the variety of models on the market let alone the variety of 911s Porsche offers. Different tastes and different budgets.
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I bought the 997 last summer (my third 911) because I was under the impression that the Porsche car seat actually fit in the back of a, you know, Porsche. Long story short...we were never able to get it secure enough for our tastes.
I had a weekend test drive of a 991 C2S PDK a few months ago and we got the car seat in but, frankly, there's barely any room for the front passenger. Not ideal.
I had a weekend test drive of a 991 C2S PDK a few months ago and we got the car seat in but, frankly, there's barely any room for the front passenger. Not ideal.
Hopefully I can get you to expound on this tidbit because in short, my wife has let me know that if the kid cannot be in her car seat at some point in the back of the 911, that I have no choice but to wait until she is out of a car seat to pursue my dream of buying a 997.
My understanding is that there is an $800 Porsche specific baby seat? And that it fits but is this the only choice?
Also, would the passenger seat still be able to be in a normal-ish position w/ the car seat in place.
Can the back seats be used at all by a child in the 4-11 year old range (w/o car seat)?
Thanks.
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Those were my sentiments exactly. I attribute the creation of both systems to an attempt to broach greater market breadth...and the acceptance of them by the consumers as a sad testament to the virtual/digital-everything world we've allowed ourselves to embrace, in which artificiality is deemed as legitimate as reality. In a way these systems remind me of when I was a lad and we attached a playing card to our bicycle wheel with a clothespin.
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Those were my sentiments exactly. I attribute the creation of both systems to an attempt to broach greater market breadth...and the acceptance of them by the consumers as a sad testament to the virtual/digital-everything world we've allowed ourselves to embrace, in which artificiality is deemed as legitimate as reality. In a way these systems remind me of when I was a lad and we attached a playing card to our bicycle wheel with a clothespin.
This is partially why I've come to dislike BMW over the years. Even though Porsche is still redirecting engine sound via a sound tube(waveguide like) vs. re-synthesizing via the sound system as with the BMW... I still don't like the direction Porsche is going. It's a slippery slop and I fear the outcome in a few years. Imagine your next date night... "Dear, how would you like the car to sound today? Lambo or mini-van?" That precious PSE button may just amount to a different itune sound track.
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Where is Quad and Vern to jump all over this?
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Even though Porsche is still redirecting engine sound via a sound tube(waveguide like) vs. re-synthesizing via the sound system as with the BMW... I still don't like the direction Porsche is going. It's a slippery slop and I fear the outcome in a few years.
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Those were my sentiments exactly. I attribute the creation of both systems to an attempt to broach greater market breadth...and the acceptance of them by the consumers as a sad testament to the virtual/digital-everything world we've allowed ourselves to embrace, in which artificiality is deemed as legitimate as reality. In a way these systems remind me of when I was a lad and we attached a playing card to our bicycle wheel with a clothespin.
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You can replace Steve Perry with an Asian guy that sounds like him but it's not Journey...I refuse to buy in.
Those were my sentiments exactly. I attribute the creation of both systems to an attempt to broach greater market breadth...and the acceptance of them by the consumers as a sad testament to the virtual/digital-everything world we've allowed ourselves to embrace, in which artificiality is deemed as legitimate as reality. In a way these systems remind me of when I was a lad and we attached a playing card to our bicycle wheel with a clothespin.
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Exactly. But as you can read, even on a forum where one would expect a majority of driving enthusiasts, there are many apologists. So I would not hold my breath waiting for Porsche to come to their senses. The company is run by MBAs in business suits. Moreover it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the majority of them drive Cayennes and Panameras and have no reverence for the 911 legacy whatsoever. Their goal is to produce cars as economically as possible and sell as many of them as they can. Both Sound Symposer and PDK are an attempt to lend the car simultaneous appeal to the enthusiast and the poseur--and their wives; to make the car compliant and unobtrusive whilst the driver chats on his mobile or listens to the constant backdrop of music which has ascended to the level of oxygen in the hierarchy of human necessity. And every so often when a few molecules of testosterone happen to hit their mark, a flick of a switch is all it takes to get the PDK off auto-pilot--albeit clutchlessly, and bring in the sound of exhaust--albeit somewhat sanitised.
They build what consumers want, so instead of blaming the company, blame the consumer (oh wait you did that too).
Amazingly, the 911 has been built for poseurs for the past 20 years. If you can't deal with it, go buy something else or quit your whining.
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The socialist have already re-programmed my 16 year old son. I told him today that the new NSX was suppose to have a 6 cylinder motor and 2 electric motors and he replied, "Oh my God...that car is going to be awesome." I purposely didn't buy him electric RC cars but instead opted for the Nitro models so he would have appreciation for the piston pumping beasts that have rolled our World for the last 100+ years. No luck...electric motors are the future he says. I need to take him to some drag races or start home schooling him immediately.
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Brutal.
I did however like the UNICEF part.
I saw a new 991 yesterday and had to take a double look. It does still have the features of the 997 which I really like but the interior is so much more refined like a luxury car. I think the 991 is really a beautiful car inside and out. However, if you hold dear the minimalistic creature comforts of 911's past then your going to have an even harder time accepting the new 991. I appreciate the fact that 911 owners are so passionate about their cars. Remember when people freaked out about the water cooled motors 993. I think these guys still hate Porsche for changing the motor.
I wonder what the 991 GT3RS 4.0l will look like???? Are they going to remove the Navi and door handles this time and call it a GT3RS or do they need to remove more goodies from the inside to make it a race car?
I did however like the UNICEF part.
I saw a new 991 yesterday and had to take a double look. It does still have the features of the 997 which I really like but the interior is so much more refined like a luxury car. I think the 991 is really a beautiful car inside and out. However, if you hold dear the minimalistic creature comforts of 911's past then your going to have an even harder time accepting the new 991. I appreciate the fact that 911 owners are so passionate about their cars. Remember when people freaked out about the water cooled motors 993. I think these guys still hate Porsche for changing the motor.
I wonder what the 991 GT3RS 4.0l will look like???? Are they going to remove the Navi and door handles this time and call it a GT3RS or do they need to remove more goodies from the inside to make it a race car?
Aww thats cute, you thought porsche cared about you. Porsche is a business, not unicef. Their only purpose on this planet is to maximize their shareholder profit.
They build what consumers want, so instead of blaming the company, blame the consumer (oh wait you did that too).
Amazingly, the 911 has been built for poseurs for the past 20 years. If you can't deal with it, go buy something else or quit your whining.
They build what consumers want, so instead of blaming the company, blame the consumer (oh wait you did that too).
Amazingly, the 911 has been built for poseurs for the past 20 years. If you can't deal with it, go buy something else or quit your whining.
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*yawn* whats the point? its gotten tiresome.
Any attempt at a rational argument or attempt at humour will invariably be met with a barrage of insults, name calling, bigotry and hot air from the same guys. Its already started with the Libs and it will spin off into the "Vortex of Insanity" (credit to another member for that apt description)
You can enjoy this one with out me boys
Any attempt at a rational argument or attempt at humour will invariably be met with a barrage of insults, name calling, bigotry and hot air from the same guys. Its already started with the Libs and it will spin off into the "Vortex of Insanity" (credit to another member for that apt description)
You can enjoy this one with out me boys
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Great review.
I have never driven a GT3RS or GT3 but would love to. I thought it would be too raw for the street and as a DD which is why I opted for the GTS.
Clearly Porsche is leaning more and more towards the broader comfort and convience demographic than the enthusiast. The 991 was a major step in that direction.
Perhaps with the "GT" variants the rawness will be infused back in.
I have never driven a GT3RS or GT3 but would love to. I thought it would be too raw for the street and as a DD which is why I opted for the GTS.
Clearly Porsche is leaning more and more towards the broader comfort and convience demographic than the enthusiast. The 991 was a major step in that direction.
Perhaps with the "GT" variants the rawness will be infused back in.