LastMezger

Indeed...completely subjective. What else can account for the variety of models on the market let alone the variety of 911s Porsche offers. Different tastes and different budgets.

Suns_PSD

Great review!

Hopefully I can get you to expound on this tidbit because in short, my wife has let me know that if the kid cannot be in her car seat at some point in the back of the 911, that I have no choice but to wait until she is out of a car seat to pursue my dream of buying a 997.

My understanding is that there is an $800 Porsche specific baby seat? And that it fits but is this the only choice?

Also, would the passenger seat still be able to be in a normal-ish position w/ the car seat in place.

Can the back seats be used at all by a child in the 4-11 year old range (w/o car seat)?

Thanks.

Palmbeacher

Those were my sentiments exactly. I attribute the creation of both systems to an attempt to broach greater market breadth...and the acceptance of them by the consumers as a sad testament to the virtual/digital-everything world we've allowed ourselves to embrace, in which artificiality is deemed as legitimate as reality. In a way these systems remind me of when I was a lad and we attached a playing card to our bicycle wheel with a clothespin.

USMC_DS1

They're all gearing us up for the day when we'll be driving electric cars... download the latest exhaust itune for the particular exhaust growl you have in mind. Sad really that sports cars have come to this.

This is partially why I've come to dislike BMW over the years. Even though Porsche is still redirecting engine sound via a sound tube(waveguide like) vs. re-synthesizing via the sound system as with the BMW... I still don't like the direction Porsche is going. It's a slippery slop and I fear the outcome in a few years. Imagine your next date night... "Dear, how would you like the car to sound today? Lambo or mini-van?" That precious PSE button may just amount to a different itune sound track.

alexb76

Where is Quad and Vern to jump all over this?

Counting...

Palmbeacher

There's already a push for legislation mandating that electric cars emit some sort of sound at or above some to-be-determined decibel level. Seems too many pedestrians have been run over and claimed they didn't hear the car coming. Naturally, our socialist-leaning leadership is only too eager to accept that it is government's job to address this, rather than suggest that pedestrians consider remaining aware of their surroundings rather than spend every waking moment with music streaming into their ears, and perhaps look up whilst crossing the street and wait until they've successfully got to the other side before updating their Facebook page.

Exactly. But as you can read, even on a forum where one would expect a majority of driving enthusiasts, there are many apologists. So I would not hold my breath waiting for Porsche to come to their senses. The company is run by MBAs in business suits. Moreover it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the majority of them drive Cayennes and Panameras and have no reverence for the 911 legacy whatsoever. Their goal is to produce cars as economically as possible and sell as many of them as they can. Both Sound Symposer and PDK are an attempt to lend the car simultaneous appeal to the enthusiast and the poseur--and their wives; to make the car compliant and unobtrusive whilst the driver chats on his mobile or listens to the constant backdrop of music which has ascended to the level of oxygen in the hierarchy of human necessity. And every so often when a few molecules of testosterone happen to hit their mark, a flick of a switch is all it takes to get the PDK off auto-pilot--albeit clutchlessly, and bring in the sound of exhaust--albeit somewhat sanitised.

texas911

Or they are just trying to comply with strict noise laws from Switzerland.

Palmbeacher

Ah, well in that case it's understandable. We certainly wouldn't want the sound of Porsches to drown-out the cowbells and yodeling, now would we.

Spokane5150

You can replace Steve Perry with an Asian guy that sounds like him but it's not Journey...I refuse to buy in.

Quadcammer

Aww thats cute, you thought porsche cared about you. Porsche is a business, not unicef. Their only purpose on this planet is to maximize their shareholder profit.

They build what consumers want, so instead of blaming the company, blame the consumer (oh wait you did that too).

Amazingly, the 911 has been built for poseurs for the past 20 years. If you can't deal with it, go buy something else or quit your whining.

Spokane5150

The socialist have already re-programmed my 16 year old son. I told him today that the new NSX was suppose to have a 6 cylinder motor and 2 electric motors and he replied, "Oh my God...that car is going to be awesome." I purposely didn't buy him electric RC cars but instead opted for the Nitro models so he would have appreciation for the piston pumping beasts that have rolled our World for the last 100+ years. No luck...electric motors are the future he says. I need to take him to some drag races or start home schooling him immediately.

Spokane5150

Brutal.

I did however like the UNICEF part.

I saw a new 991 yesterday and had to take a double look. It does still have the features of the 997 which I really like but the interior is so much more refined like a luxury car. I think the 991 is really a beautiful car inside and out. However, if you hold dear the minimalistic creature comforts of 911's past then your going to have an even harder time accepting the new 991. I appreciate the fact that 911 owners are so passionate about their cars. Remember when people freaked out about the water cooled motors 993. I think these guys still hate Porsche for changing the motor.

I wonder what the 991 GT3RS 4.0l will look like???? Are they going to remove the Navi and door handles this time and call it a GT3RS or do they need to remove more goodies from the inside to make it a race car?

Palmbeacher

I happen to choose not to go through life emptying my bladder and rolling on my back like a submissive puppy, but you're welcome to live like that if you want.

vern1

*yawn* whats the point? its gotten tiresome.

Any attempt at a rational argument or attempt at humour will invariably be met with a barrage of insults, name calling, bigotry and hot air from the same guys. Its already started with the Libs and it will spin off into the "Vortex of Insanity" (credit to another member for that apt description)

You can enjoy this one with out me boys

Waxer

Great review.

I have never driven a GT3RS or GT3 but would love to. I thought it would be too raw for the street and as a DD which is why I opted for the GTS.

Clearly Porsche is leaning more and more towards the broader comfort and convience demographic than the enthusiast. The 991 was a major step in that direction.

Perhaps with the "GT" variants the rawness will be infused back in.