997.2 Engine Reliability
03-25-2015, 04:26 PM
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This thread only became tolerable for me to read once I put CaymanPower on my ignore list. It's like my own personal "ban". Quite a nice feature that Ive never had to use before in the many years Ive been on Rennlist.
03-25-2015, 05:49 PM
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There are many forces at play here. I agree that some benefit from proclaiming gloom and doom even where there is none. As long as the thread remains open, we, the many 9A1 owners with no engine issues, should continue posting testifying our experience, to counter the minority nonsense.
Tires? Yes. Oil changes? Three. Alignment? Yes. Spark plugs? Yes. New mufflers? Yes (Fister upgrade). Brake flush? Yes. Cabin filter? Yes. Air filters? Yes. Paint chips? Yes, major construction on my commute. Oil burned? Zero.
ANY problems? NO!!!
The more I drive this car the better she performs!
03-25-2015, 08:55 PM
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Boys, boys chill down... you are not paying attention! I've already posted the link on this thread. But I post it again for you, no problem:
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-...ent-truth.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-...ent-truth.html
03-25-2015, 09:04 PM
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Boys, boys chill down... you are not paying attention! I've already posted the link on this thread. But I post it again for you, no problem:
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-...ent-truth.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-...ent-truth.html
Time to just let this dog die...don't ya think?!
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03-25-2015, 09:36 PM
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Money should buy you quality and peace of mind in the first place! As a capitalist I believe that product quality should be proportional to the money spent. That's a basic principle of the capitalism.
When you spend big bucks on a Porsche car the last thing you should be worrying about is in giving extra cash for an extended warranty over the product you have just payed for such big bucks. By doing so you are clearly stating that you don't trust in the quality of the product you've just purchased. How logical can this be?!
That's the difference between throwing money around and buying strictly quality!
I'm a firm believer that the more money you spend the more of the latter you should get and not the other way around!
And, that's the fundamental issue with Porsche's engine reliability problems.
Fortunately, the 9A1 engine found in the 997.2 seems to be a step forward... how big is what I'm trying to know!
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03-25-2015, 09:40 PM
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Fair enough!
But you are forgetting a very important point, first and foremost, these so called preeminent Porsche engine builders are the ones who first argue with Porsche themself and tell them they are wrong!
Can you understand that?! Arguing against Porsche technical expertise, Porsche that race engines since almost the beginning of times?!
This is not rocket science you know... all it takes is some engineering background and some common sense to ask the right questions !
Engineering is the art of compromise... so, every engineering product is compromised somehow by definition. If it doesn't deliver you have to seek where the compromise has gone too far.
I seek thoroughly and I present my findings in a bold HONEST way hoping that someone chimes in and just proves me wrong!
If that doesn't happen I hold to my conclusions until contrary evidence. That's how I learn.
What I can't bare is fanboys or someone treating me like I was retarded, because you can't be rational with either of them!
Let me give you an example, every Porsche owner, every so called preeminent Porsche engine builder, Porsche themself all of them tell me that some smoke upon startup is normal on a Porsche horizontally opposed cylinder engine but I present two simple evidences and all the rationale behind the 'classic' explanation looses any possible credibility, although none of them are willing to acknowledge that:
A. Not every Porsche horizontally opposed cylinder engine smokes upon startup
B. There are some Porsche horizontally opposed cylinder engines that smoke from one cylinder bank only (I've owned two)
Next thing you know, you are being called paranoid or a troll.
But you are forgetting a very important point, first and foremost, these so called preeminent Porsche engine builders are the ones who first argue with Porsche themself and tell them they are wrong!
Can you understand that?! Arguing against Porsche technical expertise, Porsche that race engines since almost the beginning of times?!
This is not rocket science you know... all it takes is some engineering background and some common sense to ask the right questions !
Engineering is the art of compromise... so, every engineering product is compromised somehow by definition. If it doesn't deliver you have to seek where the compromise has gone too far.
I seek thoroughly and I present my findings in a bold HONEST way hoping that someone chimes in and just proves me wrong!
If that doesn't happen I hold to my conclusions until contrary evidence. That's how I learn.
What I can't bare is fanboys or someone treating me like I was retarded, because you can't be rational with either of them!
Let me give you an example, every Porsche owner, every so called preeminent Porsche engine builder, Porsche themself all of them tell me that some smoke upon startup is normal on a Porsche horizontally opposed cylinder engine but I present two simple evidences and all the rationale behind the 'classic' explanation looses any possible credibility, although none of them are willing to acknowledge that:
A. Not every Porsche horizontally opposed cylinder engine smokes upon startup
B. There are some Porsche horizontally opposed cylinder engines that smoke from one cylinder bank only (I've owned two)
Next thing you know, you are being called paranoid or a troll.
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03-25-2015, 09:46 PM
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Let me give you a little help then...
Money should buy you quality and peace of mind in the first place! As a capitalist I believe that product quality should be proportional to the money spent. That's a basic principle of the capitalism.
When you spend big bucks on a Porsche car the last thing you should be worrying about is in giving extra cash for an extended warranty over the product you have just payed for such big bucks. By doing so you are clearly stating that you don't trust in the quality of the product you've just purchased. How logical can this be?!
That's the difference between throwing money around and buying strictly quality!
I'm a firm believer that the more money you spend more of the latter you should get and not the other way around!
And, that's the fundamental issue with Porsche's engine reliability issues.
Fortunately, the 9A1 engine found in the 997.2 seems to be a step forward... how big is what I'm trying to know!
Money should buy you quality and peace of mind in the first place! As a capitalist I believe that product quality should be proportional to the money spent. That's a basic principle of the capitalism.
When you spend big bucks on a Porsche car the last thing you should be worrying about is in giving extra cash for an extended warranty over the product you have just payed for such big bucks. By doing so you are clearly stating that you don't trust in the quality of the product you've just purchased. How logical can this be?!
That's the difference between throwing money around and buying strictly quality!
I'm a firm believer that the more money you spend more of the latter you should get and not the other way around!
And, that's the fundamental issue with Porsche's engine reliability issues.
Fortunately, the 9A1 engine found in the 997.2 seems to be a step forward... how big is what I'm trying to know!
I am a bit flattered that you went to the trouble of looking up my old posts.
Regarding warranties, would you buy a new car without one? Wouldn't YOU expect it to be perfect for the next 4 years? Using your "logic", the more expensive the car, the higher the "quality" should be, so you would not expect a warranty on, say, a brand new Bugatti Veyron. Your argument is that since it is so expensive, it should never have an issue.
Capitalism or not...good luck with that.
03-25-2015, 10:09 PM
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You've been quiet all day. Tough day of work under the bridge?
I am a bit flattered that you went to the trouble of looking up my old posts.
Regarding warranties, would you buy a new car without one? Wouldn't YOU expect it to be perfect for the next 4 years? Using your "logic", the more expensive the car, the higher the "quality" should be, so you would not expect a warranty on, say, a brand new Bugatti Veyron. Your argument is that since it is so expensive, it should never have an issue.
Capitalism or not...good luck with that.
I am a bit flattered that you went to the trouble of looking up my old posts.
Regarding warranties, would you buy a new car without one? Wouldn't YOU expect it to be perfect for the next 4 years? Using your "logic", the more expensive the car, the higher the "quality" should be, so you would not expect a warranty on, say, a brand new Bugatti Veyron. Your argument is that since it is so expensive, it should never have an issue.
Capitalism or not...good luck with that.
Money should warrant you quality, not luck!
So, you shouldn't have needed to pay EXTRA money for an EXTENDED warranty in order to have peace of mind after you have paid so much for your 996 Carrera, which already included the necessary basic warranty.
Gladly, you have the money to throw around...
03-25-2015, 10:28 PM
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Also, the one post that wasn't about any substantive engine issue that really offended me was one of your posts where you were taunting Jake to respond because he did not respond as soon as you would have liked. That makes me sick since this is a voluntary forum and people participate when they can and want, not when you want them to.
03-25-2015, 11:19 PM
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Caymanpower's skeletons are coming out of the closet?
03-26-2015, 02:29 AM
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Not really!
Here's something I have been talking about repeatedly - the engine's cooling system - that refers to the 987 vs 981 comparison but that can be equally extrapolated to the 997.2 vs 991 comparison, which clearly shows the importance of the cooling system design evolution from the OLD to the NEW:
Here's something I have been talking about repeatedly - the engine's cooling system - that refers to the 987 vs 981 comparison but that can be equally extrapolated to the 997.2 vs 991 comparison, which clearly shows the importance of the cooling system design evolution from the OLD to the NEW:
The new form of the Cayman is not only more distinctive, it also offers aerodynamic benefits. Although the boosted engine and braking performance requires modified cooling, the aerodynamic drag coefficient (cD) is a very good 0.30. Two large exterior intakes at the front end now handle all cooling air needs. Their aerodynamic in-flow design was further improved, eliminating the need for the previous central radiator of the PDK vehicles. The intakes are the same size on both models, but on the Cayman a portion of the intake is covered by a black trim panel due to its lower cooling air requirement.
03-26-2015, 08:31 AM
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I tend to focus myself on the technical side of things, that's what matters to me, as I've said it's not personal.
And, since an image worths one thousand words, just for comparison, here's the complete cooling system's basic diagram that we can find on the 991 (the 981 would be very similar except for the engine position/orientation):
And, since an image worths one thousand words, just for comparison, here's the complete cooling system's basic diagram that we can find on the 991 (the 981 would be very similar except for the engine position/orientation):