Porsche eats caviar, we drive their time bombs. Vent. Long.
11-01-2011, 04:35 PM
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If they were smart, they would put a 3 or 4 quart reservoir someplace, and have a provision for the car to automatically meter and fill the engine to the specified level when needed. then at every oil change, one would fill the engine and fill the reservoir. It would eliminate the need for the driver to measure and top off periodically. This would eliminate all of the needless energy and aggravation involved in explaining to owners who are accustomed to lesser cars which do not burn oil, why this engineering masterpiece has this oil consumption quirk inherent in its design.
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11-01-2011, 04:56 PM
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If they were smart, they would put a 3 or 4 quart reservoir someplace, and have a provision for the car to automatically meter and fill the engine to the specified level when needed. then at every oil change, one would fill the engine and fill the reservoir. It would eliminate the need for the driver to measure and top off periodically. This would eliminate all of the needless energy and aggravation involved in explaining to owners who are accustomed to lesser cars which do not burn oil, why this engineering masterpiece has thisoil consumption quirk inherent in its design.
11-01-2011, 07:22 PM
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But we digress. This post was originally about engine failures. Or caviar. I think. Wait, what was it about again?
11-01-2011, 08:06 PM
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I disagree.
It depends on what Porsche engineered/designed the system to operate under.
IF they designed it to consume up to 1 qt per 600 (was it km or mi) then thats not an issue. If its designed to do up to that amount of consumption, then the rest of the car's systems are also designed to deal with that level of oil consumption.
Its good engineering if it matches the design envelope they product producer specified. The consumers individual expectations have no bearing on the engineering. If you don't like the way a company designs its products to perform, don't buy them. You are not the target audience of the company.
It depends on what Porsche engineered/designed the system to operate under.
IF they designed it to consume up to 1 qt per 600 (was it km or mi) then thats not an issue. If its designed to do up to that amount of consumption, then the rest of the car's systems are also designed to deal with that level of oil consumption.
Its good engineering if it matches the design envelope they product producer specified. The consumers individual expectations have no bearing on the engineering. If you don't like the way a company designs its products to perform, don't buy them. You are not the target audience of the company.
This number of 1qt/368 miles is one created by Porsche actuaries. They figured out how many engines would consume what amounts of oil, and figured out that cost/benefit, 1qt per 368 was the one that saved the company the most money. Porsche is not the most profitable car company out there for a reason.
If I had a guess, I'd say that Porsche engineers would be ashamed to have their names associated with such an effort.
I'm not a porsche nutswinger. I don't care what the brand is, if they do something stupid or produce a mediocre product, I'll call them on it. Porsche builds 911s with engine issues. Thats not all that impressive.
11-01-2011, 08:09 PM
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If they were smart, they would put a 3 or 4 quart reservoir someplace, and have a provision for the car to automatically meter and fill the engine to the specified level when needed. then at every oil change, one would fill the engine and fill the reservoir. It would eliminate the need for the driver to measure and top off periodically. This would eliminate all of the needless energy and aggravation involved in explaining to owners who are accustomed to lesser cars which do not burn oil, why this engineering masterpiece has this oil consumption quirk inherent in its design.
power output, reliability, packaging, etc, is nothing special.
It never has been. There has not been one impressive porsche engine in terms of specific power output, with the exception of maybe the new GT3/4.0s.
11-01-2011, 08:15 PM
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can you cool it with the "engineering masterpiece" crap? What is so masterful?
power output, reliability, packaging, etc, is nothing special.
It never has been. There has not been one impressive porsche engine in terms of specific power output, with the exception of maybe the new GT3/4.0s.
power output, reliability, packaging, etc, is nothing special.
It never has been. There has not been one impressive porsche engine in terms of specific power output, with the exception of maybe the new GT3/4.0s.
http://www.corvetteforum.com/
Porsche's are incredibly well designed. They outlast alot of other cars out there, and they outdrive them, and they look better. Why do you have such a problem with adding a little oil?
11-01-2011, 08:42 PM
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i have no problem adding a little oil to my car if need be. I have driven the car for 11 years and have had to only replace a window switch. Tell me where I can buy another car like that and my driveway will be full of them.
11-01-2011, 09:10 PM
#99
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if low oil consumption and hating on P-cars is your thing, then might I refer you to this site
http://www.corvetteforum.com/
Porsche's are incredibly well designed. They outlast alot of other cars out there, and they outdrive them, and they look better. Why do you have such a problem with adding a little oil?
http://www.corvetteforum.com/
Porsche's are incredibly well designed. They outlast alot of other cars out there, and they outdrive them, and they look better. Why do you have such a problem with adding a little oil?
Lets face it, many porsches have serious engine problems. Chain tensioners, valve guides, IMS, etc. If you think thats well designed, well, I guess we have much different standards.
Porsche's only outlast other cars because their incredibly over **** owners who will dump tons of good money after bad to keep them running.
I like my 993, but I don't for a minute think its some sort of engineering masterpiece. Its a decent sports car, nothing more.
11-01-2011, 09:12 PM
#100
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how many miles you put on that car in those 11 years?
11-01-2011, 09:23 PM
#101
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Why is it that some loathe Porsche Engineering affirming that their engines are nothing special, but spend so much time in a Porsche forum? Masochism? Life is short... these people should move on to greener pastures and forget Porsche. I would, if I thought as they do.
11-01-2011, 10:21 PM
#103
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Secondly because I didn't feel like spending $115k on a nice gallardo (which is no engineering masterpiece either).
11-01-2011, 10:25 PM
#104
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Even a garden variety Carrera S has a specific output of more than 100HP per liter. You don't find that at least somewhat impressive for a NA engine?
11-01-2011, 11:32 PM
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Quad you are cracking me up. Glad to see some people keep a sense of humor about this nonsense.