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IMS failure for your 997 car, Y or N? tell us (yr, 997.1, .2, m96, m97, failure mode)
08-13-2021, 01:15 PM
#1096
My car is up for sale and all I get is constant questions of whether or not the IMS bearing has been replaced yet. When I try to explain to people the failure rate of the larger IMS bearing in an '07 Carrera S is almost nil, these Internet savvy buyers think the car is expected to explode at any moment. I wonder if this sticky helps or hinders the truth behind the "larger single roller IMS bearing" Does anyone have even a remote idea what the actual failure rate is on this car? I'm so sick of arguing with idiots!
08-13-2021, 01:37 PM
#1097
This nails it on the head, as does the prior comment demonstrate how awful this is. This feels like a sins of the father being visited on the son. The 997 IMS, after the early 05s, is flat out not anywhere near the issue it was for the 996s. Drive your car. Enjoy it. Keep your revs under 6k so when you go to sell it the other ******* crowd who freaks out about overrevs won't choke you. Or maybe just don't own a Porsche. They're designed to be driven, and hard. Ask Ferry (if you could).
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08-13-2021, 03:33 PM
#1098
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My car is up for sale and all I get is constant questions of whether or not the IMS bearing has been replaced yet. When I try to explain to people the failure rate of the larger IMS bearing in an '07 Carrera S is almost nil, these Internet savvy buyers think the car is expected to explode at any moment. I wonder if this sticky helps or hinders the truth behind the "larger single roller IMS bearing" Does anyone have even a remote idea what the actual failure rate is on this car? I'm so sick of arguing with idiots!
08-13-2021, 06:42 PM
#1099
I had the same issue, it was a clear 100% of the prospective buyers ask if the IMS was replaced, or i had to reduce the car price $3k so they could have it done. Everyone, and i mean everyone treats it as a ticking time bomb. Funny thing is, in 12 yrs and 110k ive never once worried about it myself.
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08-15-2021, 01:23 PM
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My car is up for sale and all I get is constant questions of whether or not the IMS bearing has been replaced yet. When I try to explain to people the failure rate of the larger IMS bearing in an '07 Carrera S is almost nil, these Internet savvy buyers think the car is expected to explode at any moment. I wonder if this sticky helps or hinders the truth behind the "larger single roller IMS bearing" Does anyone have even a remote idea what the actual failure rate is on this car? I'm so sick of arguing with idiots!
08-19-2021, 08:10 AM
#1102
Early 2005 997 C2, manual, 122K miles - No Failure - bought car recently with no issues but replaced with IMS Solution to have peace of mind for years to come. Shop said original bearing looked "okay"
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12-08-2021, 11:30 PM
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08 S Cab- Severe No 6 Bore Scoring
I bought a used '08 S Cab from upstate NY from a non Porsche related Indy dealer. 65K, but the car looked great. I was somewhat savvy on the PPI and made them do an impression check and I did get the 30 day lemon law guarantee in writing. So I gambled and had them ship it out here in SoCal (Irvine) after I bought it, the 'check engine' light came on in the first 50 miles, it was last summer and I could smell the oil burning with the top down. Damn, I thought. I took down to a great Indy in Lake Forest, Pacific German, and they confirmed my worst fears, it was scored. The tech said it was the worst scored cylinder he ever saw. Not that I want to be #1 on that list, but so it goes. I immediately called the dealer in NY, sent him the corresponding report from the Indy, pics of the check engine light, etc. They agreed to take the car back and give me all my money back- but it did cost me $4k plus in shipping all told.
The Indy reiterated if you buy a used 997 from a cold weather state you are taking your chances. Absolutely, 100% need to get scoped before you purchase. Apparently on 991.1s as well because I had one of those go bad after 2 months after the CPO warranty expired. Just a small tick. I did take into Porsche Irvine (I bought it however from Salt Lake City, another cold weather disaster waiting to happen). I did not document the visit with their service tech, mistake on my part. Because when they looked at it all the and quoted $30K I was shocked. I said YOU guys meaning Porsche has a Problem. This was a beautiful Carrera White 2012.5 S Cab with sand beige interior. It had 25K on it when I bought in 2018, the CPO was two years, I put 6k on the car in two years and then the bore scoring took place and I was cooked. They did listen to my desperation and moved it down to $13K, out of pity I guess. I sold that car right when the pandemic started in 2020 after the engine was replaced. I could not keep it, it was tainted as far as I was concerned.
So I learned my lesson and bought a beautiful 2014 base 911 Cab (Base has less scoring from all I have been told). I have had it for 6 months and all is good. It's not as much fun as the 991 S or the 997 S for that matter, in fact the 997 S is just more fun to drive than the 991 S is anyways, my opinion of course. I am 6 months in on a new 2 year CPO on the base 2014 Cab and I will be selling this car before that expires. I rather have a 997 S Cab, but unless you can get a warranty it is somewhat perilous, or you just say to your self, not your wife of course, "I will be sending this down to Georgia for that 4.0 rebuild when it happens and I am good with that!!" You can see where the car has 'lived' on the CarFax, a car may be located in a warm weather state today, but could have been in Chicago for years, you have to check.
Cheers-
SD
The Indy reiterated if you buy a used 997 from a cold weather state you are taking your chances. Absolutely, 100% need to get scoped before you purchase. Apparently on 991.1s as well because I had one of those go bad after 2 months after the CPO warranty expired. Just a small tick. I did take into Porsche Irvine (I bought it however from Salt Lake City, another cold weather disaster waiting to happen). I did not document the visit with their service tech, mistake on my part. Because when they looked at it all the and quoted $30K I was shocked. I said YOU guys meaning Porsche has a Problem. This was a beautiful Carrera White 2012.5 S Cab with sand beige interior. It had 25K on it when I bought in 2018, the CPO was two years, I put 6k on the car in two years and then the bore scoring took place and I was cooked. They did listen to my desperation and moved it down to $13K, out of pity I guess. I sold that car right when the pandemic started in 2020 after the engine was replaced. I could not keep it, it was tainted as far as I was concerned.
So I learned my lesson and bought a beautiful 2014 base 911 Cab (Base has less scoring from all I have been told). I have had it for 6 months and all is good. It's not as much fun as the 991 S or the 997 S for that matter, in fact the 997 S is just more fun to drive than the 991 S is anyways, my opinion of course. I am 6 months in on a new 2 year CPO on the base 2014 Cab and I will be selling this car before that expires. I rather have a 997 S Cab, but unless you can get a warranty it is somewhat perilous, or you just say to your self, not your wife of course, "I will be sending this down to Georgia for that 4.0 rebuild when it happens and I am good with that!!" You can see where the car has 'lived' on the CarFax, a car may be located in a warm weather state today, but could have been in Chicago for years, you have to check.
Cheers-
SD
12-13-2021, 03:06 PM
#1110
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Yep, there is no "safe mileage" for these early smaller single row bearings contrary to what you may read on the internet, like "if it makes it past xxxxxx then you're good" - they can fail at any time from 20k miles or sooner to 150k miles or later.