Cars Trashed at Sheraton
06-18-2009, 12:17 PM
#76
Burning Brakes
Here's an even better scenario:
Attorney talking to client #1 on his bluetooth about his case while taking a beautiful 50 mile drive in his P-Car to the airport to take depositions for client #2.
06-18-2009, 12:29 PM
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06-18-2009, 02:49 PM
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"while taking a beautiful 50 mile drive in his P-Car to the airport to take depositions for client #2" means you bill client #1 for the time on the phone call WHILE you simultaneously bill client #2 for the time spent driving to the airport. Actually I've never seen anything wrong with this, and I think it used to be "allowed," but now it has been deemed "unethical" for some reason. Oh well. Oh yeah, um, porsches
06-18-2009, 03:02 PM
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Exactly...In fact, in At Law's scenario the attorney is acting in an ethical manner that should be applauded. At Law never said or implied that client #2 would also be billed while one the phone with client #1. Instead, client #2 is benefitted by the attorney billing client #1 on the hypothetical drive to the airport because it would be customary to bill client #2 for the attorney's travel time. So, by working for client #1 while traveling for client #2, client #2's bill is reduced, and client #1 is appropriately billed for services rendered.
Someone shut this thread down. It has gone well beyond its original topic.
Someone shut this thread down. It has gone well beyond its original topic.
06-18-2009, 03:10 PM
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"while taking a beautiful 50 mile drive in his P-Car to the airport to take depositions for client #2" means you bill client #1 for the time on the phone call WHILE you simultaneously bill client #2 for the time spent driving to the airport. Actually I've never seen anything wrong with this, and I think it used to be "allowed," but now it has been deemed "unethical" for some reason. Oh well. Oh yeah, um, porsches
06-18-2009, 03:16 PM
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That's double billing, unethical and in violation of every state's rules of professional conduct. Don't think I'm naive to believe this never happens. But that doesn't change the fact that it's flat-out wrong. And I'm willing to give At Law the benefit of the doubt that he meant something else.
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
#84
Burning Brakes
My scenario was designed to exhibit how driving a P-Car
sharpens your thinking and allows both clients to benefit
simultaneously from the razor sharp legal advice they are receiving.
In fact, I generally do not bill my clients when their case requires me
to drive my P-Car. Driving my 997 is payment enough.
sharpens your thinking and allows both clients to benefit
simultaneously from the razor sharp legal advice they are receiving.
In fact, I generally do not bill my clients when their case requires me
to drive my P-Car. Driving my 997 is payment enough.
06-18-2009, 05:10 PM
#85
Ummm, I like this, a "legal" and "medical" reason, other than general apathy and fatigue, to call in sick. Uh, I'm having some problems bifurcating this morning--don't think I can make it in.
I think I can ethically use the bifurcating rationale without any problem
Is this board great or what!
Many thanks to Doc Allegretto and the Denny Crains here.
(Please note: tongue is firmly in cheek, no disrespect intended)
I think I can ethically use the bifurcating rationale without any problem
Is this board great or what!
Many thanks to Doc Allegretto and the Denny Crains here.
(Please note: tongue is firmly in cheek, no disrespect intended)
06-19-2009, 04:16 AM
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Final Update.
I had a very enjoyable conversation with the hotel owner who's biggest fault, I believe, was to try to sort this out with incomplete facts. Like the early 928 Forum Poll which was put together by someone without direct knowledge, that sort of thing only makes damage control that much more difficult.
I'm quite convinced that he seeks to do the right thing, and that includes spending a lot of time with his management staff at that particular hotel in getting them to understand customer service. They, too, jumped to conclusions, and arrived at these in error, further aggravating this incident. Ultimately, it was their conduct that magnified something that should have been handled quietly and professionally.
While I will not be returning to that hotel in the foreseeable future (under its current management) I have left the door open in the event sufficient 'housecleaning' is done.
On the car front, several of those affected have had their cars detailed and from what I have heard, things were caught in time. Mine goes under the able hands of professionals on Monday. (This is a first for me,--a "detail" job, in 34 years of Porsche ownership).
I had a very enjoyable conversation with the hotel owner who's biggest fault, I believe, was to try to sort this out with incomplete facts. Like the early 928 Forum Poll which was put together by someone without direct knowledge, that sort of thing only makes damage control that much more difficult.
I'm quite convinced that he seeks to do the right thing, and that includes spending a lot of time with his management staff at that particular hotel in getting them to understand customer service. They, too, jumped to conclusions, and arrived at these in error, further aggravating this incident. Ultimately, it was their conduct that magnified something that should have been handled quietly and professionally.
While I will not be returning to that hotel in the foreseeable future (under its current management) I have left the door open in the event sufficient 'housecleaning' is done.
On the car front, several of those affected have had their cars detailed and from what I have heard, things were caught in time. Mine goes under the able hands of professionals on Monday. (This is a first for me,--a "detail" job, in 34 years of Porsche ownership).
06-19-2009, 09:43 AM
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Actually yes...not against the course owner, but the offender. I think you may be taking the concept of "assumed risk" too far. Were I to get hit by a golf ball from the group playing behind me that puts me in a coma, would that be my own fault? Have I waived all my rights to personal and property safety simply by playing on a golf course?
The noise scared the crap out of me and the two burn outs in the other car but I don't think they knew what the hell was going on.
I immediately drove to their office and they referred me to their insurance carrier who took care of everything.
06-19-2009, 09:59 AM
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I dropped my son off for a golf lesson and while waiting I had a nice view of the first tee. In that 45 minutes I watched 4 people put a ball on the road that parallels the 1st hole. Began to wonder how often that happens and how many people (drivers) don't recognize the club/golfers liability
06-19-2009, 01:00 PM
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This whole ordeal really sucks...