Cars Trashed at Sheraton
06-16-2009, 09:29 PM
#31
Nordschleife Master
I empathize with those affected. The sign itself is a clear indication that the hotel management knew that damage can occur. On top of that they were aware of a large P-car owner function and they should be savvy enough to understand that these people care about their cars. Good PR from their part should pay for competent detailing to correct the damage.
06-16-2009, 09:52 PM
#32
Burning Brakes
I empathize with those affected. The sign itself is a clear indication that the hotel management knew that damage can occur. On top of that they were aware of a large P-car owner function and they should be savvy enough to understand that these people care about their cars. Good PR from their part should pay for competent detailing to correct the damage.
legal counsel in your jurisdiction concerning this issue. There, I am covered.
This is an interesting situation. On its face, it does appear to be a simple sprinkler malfunction. However, a hotel, restaurant, retail store, etc. does
owe a duty of protection to its patrons. As a commercial business, it does
owe a higher standard of care and protection to its patrons than does your next door neighbor or a friend.
If you can prove/show actual damages did occur as a result of the hotel's
sprinkler system's malfunction, there is a very strong argument that they are liable for damages to your vehicle. The hotel does owe you a duty of protection while you are on their premises. And with this being said, the hotel has a duty to ensure that the sidewalks, staircases, grass, lobbies, etc. are safe for its patrons.
Someone had eluded to a laptop getting wet in a room from a fire sprinkler
malfunction. I did not follow his reasoning exactly, however, a hotel
would also be liable for this mishap. When you check into a hotel or
walk into a retail store, the law works to protect you from any potential
dangers that may exist. Of course, there are a number of other intervening
causes which may present themselves, however, this is a general rule.
Now, the main issue is, were the P-Cars actually damaged and do you
want to make an issue of it. I would say, take it in for a detail, and
next time, park away from any potential malfunctioning sprinkler heads.
Now all you have to worry about are run away luggage carts hitting
your P-Car.
06-16-2009, 10:19 PM
#33
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06-16-2009, 10:37 PM
#34
As a precursor, this is not legal advice and no one party shall rely upon the following information as legal advice. I strongly suggest retaining
legal counsel in your jurisdiction concerning this issue. There, I am covered.
This is an interesting situation. On its face, it does appear to be a simple sprinkler malfunction. However, a hotel, restaurant, retail store, etc. does
owe a duty of protection to its patrons. As a commercial business, it does
owe a higher standard of care and protection to its patrons than does your next door neighbor or a friend.
If you can prove/show actual damages did occur as a result of the hotel's
sprinkler system's malfunction, there is a very strong argument that they are liable for damages to your vehicle. The hotel does owe you a duty of protection while you are on their premises. And with this being said, the hotel has a duty to ensure that the sidewalks, staircases, grass, lobbies, etc. are safe for its patrons.
Someone had eluded to a laptop getting wet in a room from a fire sprinkler
malfunction. I did not follow his reasoning exactly, however, a hotel
would also be liable for this mishap. When you check into a hotel or
walk into a retail store, the law works to protect you from any potential
dangers that may exist. Of course, there are a number of other intervening
causes which may present themselves, however, this is a general rule.
Now, the main issue is, were the P-Cars actually damaged and do you
want to make an issue of it. I would say, take it in for a detail, and
next time, park away from any potential malfunctioning sprinkler heads.
Now all you have to worry about are run away luggage carts hitting
your P-Car.
legal counsel in your jurisdiction concerning this issue. There, I am covered.
This is an interesting situation. On its face, it does appear to be a simple sprinkler malfunction. However, a hotel, restaurant, retail store, etc. does
owe a duty of protection to its patrons. As a commercial business, it does
owe a higher standard of care and protection to its patrons than does your next door neighbor or a friend.
If you can prove/show actual damages did occur as a result of the hotel's
sprinkler system's malfunction, there is a very strong argument that they are liable for damages to your vehicle. The hotel does owe you a duty of protection while you are on their premises. And with this being said, the hotel has a duty to ensure that the sidewalks, staircases, grass, lobbies, etc. are safe for its patrons.
Someone had eluded to a laptop getting wet in a room from a fire sprinkler
malfunction. I did not follow his reasoning exactly, however, a hotel
would also be liable for this mishap. When you check into a hotel or
walk into a retail store, the law works to protect you from any potential
dangers that may exist. Of course, there are a number of other intervening
causes which may present themselves, however, this is a general rule.
Now, the main issue is, were the P-Cars actually damaged and do you
want to make an issue of it. I would say, take it in for a detail, and
next time, park away from any potential malfunctioning sprinkler heads.
Now all you have to worry about are run away luggage carts hitting
your P-Car.
06-16-2009, 10:46 PM
#35
I'm, not a lawyer either but nothing I have ever said, am saying or will say (intentionally or otherwise blurted out) should be contrued as legal advice.
Just trying to set the record straight.
Just trying to set the record straight.
06-16-2009, 11:02 PM
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06-17-2009, 12:45 AM
#37
Seriously, Get a grip! My God, cars are meant for outdoor use, they will get wet, splashed on from puddles of much worse water, and crapped on by birds. Even more horrifying things can happen when you live where it snows.
When I lived in hard water heaven, California, my sprinklers would leave my cars looking just as bad when the wind picked up.
I found a way to get through it, somehow.
I wish people could see all the horrible elements their cars were subjected to en route to and by the dealerships, prior to owning them.
When I lived in hard water heaven, California, my sprinklers would leave my cars looking just as bad when the wind picked up.
I found a way to get through it, somehow.
I wish people could see all the horrible elements their cars were subjected to en route to and by the dealerships, prior to owning them.
06-17-2009, 12:47 AM
#38
Nordschleife Master
As a precursor, this is not legal advice and no one party shall rely upon the following information as legal advice. I strongly suggest retaining
legal counsel in your jurisdiction concerning this issue. There, I am covered.
This is an interesting situation. On its face, it does appear to be a simple sprinkler malfunction. However, a hotel, restaurant, retail store, etc. does
owe a duty of protection to its patrons. As a commercial business, it does
owe a higher standard of care and protection to its patrons than does your next door neighbor or a friend.
If you can prove/show actual damages did occur as a result of the hotel's
sprinkler system's malfunction, there is a very strong argument that they are liable for damages to your vehicle. The hotel does owe you a duty of protection while you are on their premises. And with this being said, the hotel has a duty to ensure that the sidewalks, staircases, grass, lobbies, etc. are safe for its patrons.
Someone had eluded to a laptop getting wet in a room from a fire sprinkler
malfunction. I did not follow his reasoning exactly, however, a hotel
would also be liable for this mishap. When you check into a hotel or
walk into a retail store, the law works to protect you from any potential
dangers that may exist. Of course, there are a number of other intervening
causes which may present themselves, however, this is a general rule.
Now, the main issue is, were the P-Cars actually damaged and do you
want to make an issue of it. I would say, take it in for a detail, and
next time, park away from any potential malfunctioning sprinkler heads.
Now all you have to worry about are run away luggage carts hitting
your P-Car.
legal counsel in your jurisdiction concerning this issue. There, I am covered.
This is an interesting situation. On its face, it does appear to be a simple sprinkler malfunction. However, a hotel, restaurant, retail store, etc. does
owe a duty of protection to its patrons. As a commercial business, it does
owe a higher standard of care and protection to its patrons than does your next door neighbor or a friend.
If you can prove/show actual damages did occur as a result of the hotel's
sprinkler system's malfunction, there is a very strong argument that they are liable for damages to your vehicle. The hotel does owe you a duty of protection while you are on their premises. And with this being said, the hotel has a duty to ensure that the sidewalks, staircases, grass, lobbies, etc. are safe for its patrons.
Someone had eluded to a laptop getting wet in a room from a fire sprinkler
malfunction. I did not follow his reasoning exactly, however, a hotel
would also be liable for this mishap. When you check into a hotel or
walk into a retail store, the law works to protect you from any potential
dangers that may exist. Of course, there are a number of other intervening
causes which may present themselves, however, this is a general rule.
Now, the main issue is, were the P-Cars actually damaged and do you
want to make an issue of it. I would say, take it in for a detail, and
next time, park away from any potential malfunctioning sprinkler heads.
Now all you have to worry about are run away luggage carts hitting
your P-Car.
imagine if they had a sinkhole in the parking lot. does posting a sign saying, "danger, do not drive into the sinkhole", absolve them of liability if someone does? you and i would simply not drive into the sinkhole. but we both know, someone will!
in any case, i'm sure the Sheraton has insurance for this.
06-17-2009, 01:02 AM
#39
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06-17-2009, 01:22 AM
#40
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If a flock of pelicans flew over and shat all over the cars, they would be in the same boat. These Ventura/SB people should quit their whining and be grateful the hotel is using reclaimed water in order to conserve our fresh supply. How soon they forget the massive fires that were extinguished in part with lake and reservoir water...
The arrogance is just amazing. Embarrassing, really.
06-17-2009, 03:24 AM
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This is an interesting situation. On its face, it does appear to be a simple sprinkler malfunction. However, a hotel, restaurant, retail store, etc. does owe a duty of protection to its patrons. As a commercial business, it does
owe a higher standard of care and protection to its patrons than does your next door neighbor or a friend.
owe a higher standard of care and protection to its patrons than does your next door neighbor or a friend.
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06-17-2009, 03:30 AM
#43
Etching commenced right away.
06-17-2009, 04:07 AM
#44
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I feel bad for the owners of the damaged cars. But one of the first things I thought was, why is a Porsche club meeting at a Four Points Hotel? I love most Starwood Hotels, but Four Points Sheraton is a one rung below a Sheraton Hotel. Wouldn't at least the W or St. Regis be a better fit?
06-17-2009, 08:09 AM
#45
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i believe case law trumps common law. and the hotel has a fiduciary responsibility to its guests, especially if it can be shown that the hotel could have mitigated the danger.