tiptronic hatred
08-28-2006, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nyca
I wonder what the option cost of the DSG is going to be when they offer it? are they going to keep the Tip, and slot the DSG as a $5000 option? or replace the Tip with the DSG?
08-29-2006, 12:06 AM
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I wonder if it makes sense for them to keep the Tip for the cabriolets, I imagine most cabs are sold as Tips. and just offer the DSG for the coupes.
08-29-2006, 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by icon
boo? what is going on? 
boalala and I have this thing going on in every thread about Tiptronic. He basically can not accept the fact about tiptronic and the fact that Porsche is late in the game. ( I wonder if he is one of the engineers that worked with Porsche or the company that built this slushbox)
He has this sarcasm going on from the beginning of this thread but I would perefer him not to rply to my message since it gives the expression that ı was the one who did not know what I was buying.
I knew exactly that I was buying sir. As I said before it is the only way to drive a Carrera for me at the moment so I accepted the fact. This however is no reason for me not to step up and say my opinion about this transmission so other members would know.
08-29-2006, 03:11 AM
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Paddle shifters would be improvement, any additional gears above 5 is improvement, lever control is improvement and other potentil benefits. however it still would not be a sequential manual but would be many times better than the current setup.
If the transmission will be DSG and if it will be based on the Audi VW system than I think they will drop tiptronic. Otherwise they would keep it in the line.
If the transmission will be DSG and if it will be based on the Audi VW system than I think they will drop tiptronic. Otherwise they would keep it in the line.
08-29-2006, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by nyca
I wonder if it makes sense for them to keep the Tip for the cabriolets, I imagine most cabs are sold as Tips.
Besides, DSG/PDK will allow Porsche to widen its customer base for the more expensive 'automatic' option.
08-29-2006, 07:38 AM
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As a side note, I read somewhere that DSG was actually developed by Borg Warner and licensed to VW. I wonder if Porsche will balk at paying the licensing fee? Then again, they own a goodly chunk of VW anyway - I wonder if they in essence already have rights to the technology.
I've also read that Audi it trying to differentiate it's DSG by calling is S-tronic. The German language website (audi.de) has a reference to S-tronic, but I haven't seen that name used in the U.S. yet.
I've also read that Audi it trying to differentiate it's DSG by calling is S-tronic. The German language website (audi.de) has a reference to S-tronic, but I haven't seen that name used in the U.S. yet.
08-29-2006, 11:23 AM
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Porsche has already stated that the DSG was not good enough to use in its cars and that is why they don't use it.
"DSG" is a brand name and Porsche will likely reintroduce the new box under PDK. This system is being worked on by Ricardo (helped design Porsche's GT racing trannies and the DCT for the Veyron, among others) last I heard and will appear first either in the GT1 supercar or maybe the GT2.
Porsche has also been quoted as saying they will shift to the sequential manual when they can no longer improve the Tiptronic.
"DSG" is a brand name and Porsche will likely reintroduce the new box under PDK. This system is being worked on by Ricardo (helped design Porsche's GT racing trannies and the DCT for the Veyron, among others) last I heard and will appear first either in the GT1 supercar or maybe the GT2.
Porsche has also been quoted as saying they will shift to the sequential manual when they can no longer improve the Tiptronic.
08-29-2006, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
I hate to perpetuate this debate, but that's simply not true. With the Tip's added weight and one less gear ratio (and the remaining five not optimal), there is no way to match the performance of a manual, even when driven moderately on the street.
Drive both in all three environments and then come back and post.
08-29-2006, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TorqueMonkey
Porsche has also been quoted as saying they will shift to the sequential manual when they can no longer improve the Tiptronic.
08-29-2006, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Queram
If they quoted something like this I say what a bull**** comment that smells pure marketing effort to cover their ***.
08-29-2006, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TorqueMonkey
Porsche has also been quoted as saying they will shift to the sequential manual when they can no longer improve the Tiptronic.
08-29-2006, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TorqueMonkey
You obviously have not driven both (on street, road and track) and your comment is just based on assumption and numbers on paper. It all comes down to the driver.
Drive both in all three environments and then come back and post.
Drive both in all three environments and then come back and post.
There's no way you can argue that any measure of performance with a five speed automatic is somehow equal to a six speed manual in a non-Turbo 997, especially a non-S such as I have my experience with. It's not a torquey motor, and the shorter gearing of the six speed manual greatly improves performance and driveablility in all situations.
