SilverSteel

Maybe that was the intent, but it's surely not, with the exception to the turbo of course. The cars exhibit different redlines and they don't shift at the optimum apex of the car's torque curve. I've owned both, and clearly there's no argument here. I will agree, and so will several publications, they are getting better, but they haven't closed the gap on such manufactureres as that red italian car. I'll post some graphs if I can remember where I saw them regarding the torque curve and Tip vs Std.

TorqueMonkey

someone's ego is feeling neglected. here's a Rolex and a new baba for you while I try and find some kind of award or trophy that we can give you. That way you'll feel important again.

TorqueMonkey

Trying to sell my 997 6speed first. Been really tough though since everyone seems to be looking for a Tip (seeing as how they outsell the manual 2 to 1).

Eggplant Cab

Silver I was referring to the 997TT tip. Even Porsche publishes performance times which show the tip is slower. No argument there. However, this thread has gone beyond the realm of discussion to the distasteful ridicule. Not going to participate in this thread anymore.

TorqueMonkey

Yeah, unfortunately that happens sometimes when people show complete lack of respect for others and make personal attacks for no reason.

Bill Coleman

I was playing NFSPU yesterday with a game controller and suddenly realized - all the kids growing up these days playing driving games shift gears by pressing buttons. When they drive a real car why should they expect it to be any different?

boolala

"Real men", though, only play video games that have a simulated clutch on the game controller.

The rest are just posers.

Queram

Here in Turkey we have one distributor gallery and grey market. The distributor sold only 2 manual Carreras. The grey market is always Tiptronic. We have terrible traffic here. that is why I chose Tip, it was the only way for me to drive a Carrera. It is a daily driver and I drive alot in terrible, unbearable traffic. I am confident that there are more markets like ours so USA market numbers do not reflect the statistics neither is ours. If someone can find documentation from Porsche we know how many of each they manufactured.

The reason why I complained in almost every thread is the fact that this car needed a kick *** sequential not a tiptronic transmission. Even DSG in my opinion is while can be very fast, it has a very unnatural feeling.

mdrums

Queram, I agree also as a Tip owner that the Tip is nice and can be fun but yes Porsche needs to step it up and offer a transmission like What BMW, Ferrari and Audi have...a true sequential....Hey Porsche are you listening to your customers?!?!?!?! Hope so!

Someone here mentioned they went to the PDE in Birmingham and got some lessons on the Tip. I would love to hear what the driving instructors had to say on proper driving a Tipronic.

thanks, Mike

boolala

I couldn't be more in agreement with this.

When I bought my tip I thought it was a sequential gearbox.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered, a year later, that it was a slushbox!

icon

boo? what is going on?

boolala

In a word: Sarcasm.....

TorqueMonkey

It all comes down to knowing how to drive each one correctly. Same engine in both cars. I prefer the manual but have driven the Tip extensively and if you learn to throttle it correctly, you can get an identical performance out of the car.

Alan Smithee

I hate to perpetuate this debate, but that's simply not true. With the Tip's added weight and one less gear ratio (and the remaining five not optimal), there is no way to match the performance of a manual, even when driven moderately on the street.

nyca

I wonder what the option cost of the DSG is going to be when they offer it? are they going to keep the Tip, and slot the DSG as a $5000 option? or replace the Tip with the DSG?