black/terra

you know in the Z or M3 forum, people do all types of personal mods.


Stereos, wheels, interior, chips mufflers, suspensions, chargers, on and on and on...

This board is the only one that has this "Porsche holier than thou" stigma....to me its utter BS.

tkae for instance the headers on a 997S they are complete garbage. The headers on a non S car are even far better. If you look at a S header the flow path is a straight restrictive reverse "Y". the worst shape for gasses to evacuate.

I hear people saying all the time "Do you think Porsche engineers are so stupid that they couldnt max out the design?"

Man o man....

I think the chip on my shoulder is when I get the feedback that insinuates that Porsche does it best....

Its brainwash....Porsche does a lot of things well but headers arent one of them. Interiors schemes arent another...Porsche uses a grand total of three different color painted silvers in their cars...for what? Alumalook silver (door handles and shift ****), Volcano silver (bezel and steering wheel ring) and some other unkown silver (dash trim)
This is retarded. if you look at a Porsche 997 interior, though miles better than the 996...needs more thought and is another glaring example of how Porsche can slip.

MJones

I believe it is these precise broadbrush statements that really have no merit nor substance that bristles the community.

Porsche is a world car company that must produce cars for many (15 approx)country specific requirements.

An FYI about the exhaust manifolds:
Compared to the standard manifold of the 3.6 litre engine, the new
high-performance manifold of the 3.8 litre engine permits better mixing and hence better preconditioning of the raw emissions before they are passed on to the catalytic converter.
Form follows function.

Aftermarket mfg do not concern themselves with the big total picture...and real engineering R&D is slim to none.

Me I'm quite happy with my '05 997S logging 24,000 miles taking excursions across the country on every type of road you could imagine, in all weather conditions, as well as flogging it to extremes on the track (3 sets of tires allready). The seating is the "best" I've experienced producing no body fatigue after 8-10hr stints of up to 900mi in a day and with <2qt of oil consumed, and it keeps running like a Swiss watch.

I will say that PAG has developed one great car!

Your individualization is for you alone, but in a group of Porsche owners some of what you do is not inovative nor cool to generate oohs or ahhs but have others muttering WTF and scratching their heads.

Welcome to the community of Porsche

gravedgr

Are you hiring?

robbonds

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Seal

I've noticed people on this forum very quickly takes things personal. That is not the case on other forums such as PPBB or the 996 forum. Some people here appear to be a bit on the edge and take any remark as criticism of their car. Furthermore, there is a lot of hesitation with mods and DYI work. I think this has to do with the 997 being so new. As it (and this forum) get older, more knowledge and experiences will be shared and hopefully things will become a bit more mellow. On the plus side: what amazes me sometimes is the knowledge of some posters on non-Porsche topics (Finance, audio, matehmatics, even rocket science). There are some very bright and very experienced specialist in certain areas hanging out here.

black/terra

Broadbrush?

I gave two laser sharp examples even after saying what a fine car Porsche is. There was nothing broad about my commentary it was very specific to two items the headers and the interior scheme.

Please be accurate about your accusations. Also the context of what I was saying was to illustrate how Porsche does not get everything necessarily right, although they produce a fine car. When I say you have a chip this is what I mean, you twisted what I said to make your point that you enjoy your Porsche immensly as do I. If my saying that Porsche doesnt make the best header "bristles" the community, then what can I say...you and your community are possibly far too easily bristled.

By the way, I can pull up tens of articles about the headers to counteract Porsches marketting but I wont even go there if you think Porsche headers are perfection.

Any, and I mean ANY car manufacturer is open to both praise and criticism. Dont be a cow, blindly heading down the line to slaughter...Open dialogue leads to solution. I'm not trying to **** on your Porsche parade, Jonesie. How can you say my points have no merit? WOW!

Furthermore, if I felt the need for the accolades of this particular community, beleive me I would keep my ideas private. I dont need, or am looking for a heroic reception based on this crowd. I post and let those who like, like and those who dont cringe...I dont do what I do to get the warm and fuzzies from this crowd. If thats what I was after I would have bought a gray/gray S with gray wheels and wrote a nervous post about what brand of tire dressing to put on my tires as to not give too much shine....then I would have been one of the boys!

Another example is....I cant for the life of me understand why you guys think I went over the top on my interior. Not that I really care if you like it but Its PORSCHE that does red interiors with red steering wheels, carpets, seats, dashes, consoles, door panels visors, glove boxes and shift *****...you conservatives accuse me of going overboard adding a few subtle touches of red to accent my seating? this is the, should I say...yea I'll say it...hypocracy that i see on here from a handful of guys. you dont have to like what I do but dont be hypocritical enough to pretend to like what porsche does because they do it. I happen to like the way BMW does it and thought long and hard about how to acheive a more tasteful look.

By the way have I said I loved my Porsche recently?

I would agree with you on one particular point Jones, I would say PAG has produced one great car too.

Did you guys vote Bush?

texas911

OK, since you're so thick skinned. I think your car is ugly and low class. Chrome wheels? Bright red (and low quality leather) racing seats? And your sound system? Are you really trying to get a good sound or trying to impress those around you (more like annoy). I half expect you to change your convertible top material to ones with LV on it! You remind me of the VW commercial where people are shouting on bullhorns about their inadequacies - "Hey, look at me everybody!!!! I'm special!!!! My car proves it!!!!!!


I think you mistake manners and decorum with touchy feely.

black/terra

thanks for saying hello..

It was the Bush comment that took you over the top huh...

Dont mess with Texas...

Truthfully, I'm honored you dont like my car.

micgreeny

pride, the thought that I'm better than someone else or fear of losing my pride (looking or feeling less than) enough of the pride ****!!!!! just hear what you need to hear and let the rest go. black/terra , I think its great what you've done with the stereo. this is by no means aimed at anyone, just something to think about. where MEN here NOT a bunch of old women on the rag, ****!!!-----------------mike

jkb

haha, as far as i am concerned, red states dont even exist

Queram

Porsche is a company at the end so it has to make profit. Not everything you get in the car is perfect as you expect or believe. As you said they developed one great car not one perfect car.

I am curious as you quoted that statement from Porsche literature?

Also while on the point, manufacturers that do not go global can not live nowadays. It is not something special that Porsche manufactures cars for different country specific requirements, they all do these days, they have to.

I am always curious if I store and sell my **** in nice packaging under Porsche labels as a a car care product, would I be able to buy myself a Ferrari 599 GTB in a year. just joking

erikjwells

geez... most of you need to grow up....

black/terra didn't say anything that hasn't been heard before re: bose/paper cones/terrible sound
It did prompt a great post on design in which I actually learned something..

I for one an extremely glad he posted what he has on his aftermarket install because I for one am gonna rip out the premium bose and put something similar in mine... WHY? cause I can... not to impress anyone but myself (texas).

but to digress to out and out ugly remarks because you didn't happen to like the content of his opinion is at best 5 yr old mentally... I have heard more mature comments emanating from my preschooler than from some of these posts.

IF you don't like what the man has to say (and have NO REAL information to debate with other than my **** is better than yours or I don't like your **** cause its crooked) then use your damned mouse button and move the hell to another post.

Some of you are prime examples that money can't erase ignorance... or give you class... but certainly can enlarge the size of the ***.

I love my porsche --- am not arrogant enough to think they walk on water --- not stupid enough to think that they wouldn't trade some features for cost variables when it comes to anything that doesn't change the base engineering of the car (ie: everything cosmetic on the car) They are a BUSINESS.
They built a great damned car (mechanical wise) but have fallen far short on the rest of the design (they are getting better) but may not ever get it right and who gives a crap (we didn't buy the damned cars for the stereo or the trunk space)... MOST of us bought it cause ITS A PORSCHE and we have always wanted to own this fine piece of german engineering.

OH BTW... thanks for the great post terra. <grin> now all you wealthy 5 yr olds can flame me.... I have the ultimate comeback (its called delete.. you should use it some time).

Chris C.

I think the point is there is a way to discuss improvements on your car without dumping on the brand, insulting those who might like their exhausts, or appearing pompous. Not all of us give a rats **** about sound systems in a performance car...most enthusiasts are more interested in go-fast mods than in flashy customizations.

The 997 appeals to a broad range of demographics, as evident by this thread. Live and let live.

As for you guys who have to throw your personal politics into a discussion of car stereos, you're just sad.

Geez, what a bunch. I invite you guys need to go hang on the 993 Board to understand the class that can go along with the marque and how Porsche owners can support one another.

larrytrk

No wonder few people seem to wave or blink any more!
I preferred the good old days with less bickering!

Rolf Stumberger

Interesting post .
Personally, when I want to listen to good music,
I do it from my easy chair at home, with a scotch in my hand.
When driving, I try to pay attention ( both visually AND audibly )
to what is going on around me .
And I can't do that if I am recording CD's or scroll thru 30 GB of pre recorded
dribble on an I-Pod while yapping on the phone with Gigawatts of
noise blasting in my ears.

And when going 70 mph , instead of playing with the menu on my touch screen ,
I KEEP MY EYES ON THE F...%.@# ROAD .