Speaking of engine swaps… 2.5 718 engine anyone?
03-16-2023 | 05:06 PM
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Interesting that these were all 996s. I'd venture to say that the engine swap in these might have actually raised the value as 996s were selling in the high teens and low 20s just a few years ago but have risen as the other 911 models have too. I'd be interested to see what a desirable bodied 997 with a swap sells for vs a regular one as I bet those are lower by comparison vs the 996s here which are higher by comparison.
997s were never that cheap and are still much more desirable than 996s. $30k still stings, but is more palatable in a $60/70/80k car.
03-16-2023 | 05:07 PM
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So, folks can buy an engine, make it fit the 997 engine bay, work out all of the electronics communication between the Porsche ecu and the Chevy or Honda engine for much less than $30k? In 2023 when a McDonalds value meal costs $15? Maybe if they do ALL the labor themselves. If I were faced with a roller 997, I think spending the $30k for a rebuild or upgrade of the stock motor would be the best decision, not just for resale but for preserving what the 997 is.
A big single turbo car is the antithesis of a driver's car if you ask me. It's a drag car, like a 90's Supra. Kiss throttle response goodbye. And nothing ruins a driving experience like turbo lag. Nothing, nothing, nothing, then EVERYTHING. I'll take NA instantaneous throttle response, thank you.
A big single turbo car is the antithesis of a driver's car if you ask me. It's a drag car, like a 90's Supra. Kiss throttle response goodbye. And nothing ruins a driving experience like turbo lag. Nothing, nothing, nothing, then EVERYTHING. I'll take NA instantaneous throttle response, thank you.
03-16-2023 | 05:13 PM
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03-16-2023 | 06:18 PM
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Seems like an abomination sticking anything other than the 3.6L or 3.8L 997 engine in our cars.
Another Thread proving the importance of the investment in a Bore Scope Inspection prior to any 997 purchase.
Also buying higher mileage (90K-110K miles) 997 w/clean cylinder walls looks to be the smarter purchase for those concerned with Bore Scoring.
After scoping 2 997S cars last year with terrible scoring, I was grateful to find my 06 3.6L C4 with clean cylinder walls at 106K miles.
Very comforting/peace of mind not having to deal with the Bore Score issue.
Another Thread proving the importance of the investment in a Bore Scope Inspection prior to any 997 purchase.
Also buying higher mileage (90K-110K miles) 997 w/clean cylinder walls looks to be the smarter purchase for those concerned with Bore Scoring.
After scoping 2 997S cars last year with terrible scoring, I was grateful to find my 06 3.6L C4 with clean cylinder walls at 106K miles.
Very comforting/peace of mind not having to deal with the Bore Score issue.
03-16-2023 | 08:32 PM
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the new technology turbos have almost no lag. I have a friend that has an 850hp Supra and has some new precision brand turbo that is super responsive right off the line. Something inside of me loves turbo lag for some reason. I had a 79 911 widebody conversion that I converted to turbo. I used a K27-7200 and it didn’t light until about 3800 RPMs, it was like turning on a light switch. I just love that burst of power. Same goes for an FD Rx7 that I built years ago using a greddy T78 turbo kit. It was the same way.
I’m a DIY kind of person. If I did a swap, I’d do it myself and I guarantee whatever power plant I decided to use would be well under $30k. You can get an LS3 crate engine straight from GM for under $10k. If you decided to go the 2.7 Audi route, you could stuff an under 100k mile engine with a bunch of mods for under $3-4k. Engine mounts and transmission mounts are pretty simple. You may need to custom make a transmission to engine adapter and figure out the wiring. The lambo guys are using motec standalone ECMs and able to mate it to the existing electronics. The Porsche wiring isn’t any different
I’m a DIY kind of person. If I did a swap, I’d do it myself and I guarantee whatever power plant I decided to use would be well under $30k. You can get an LS3 crate engine straight from GM for under $10k. If you decided to go the 2.7 Audi route, you could stuff an under 100k mile engine with a bunch of mods for under $3-4k. Engine mounts and transmission mounts are pretty simple. You may need to custom make a transmission to engine adapter and figure out the wiring. The lambo guys are using motec standalone ECMs and able to mate it to the existing electronics. The Porsche wiring isn’t any different
So, folks can buy an engine, make it fit the 997 engine bay, work out all of the electronics communication between the Porsche ecu and the Chevy or Honda engine for much less than $30k? In 2023 when a McDonalds value meal costs $15? Maybe if they do ALL the labor themselves. If I were faced with a roller 997, I think spending the $30k for a rebuild or upgrade of the stock motor would be the best decision, not just for resale but for preserving what the 997 is.
A big single turbo car is the antithesis of a driver's car if you ask me. It's a drag car, like a 90's Supra. Kiss throttle response goodbye. And nothing ruins a driving experience like turbo lag. Nothing, nothing, nothing, then EVERYTHING. I'll take NA instantaneous throttle response, thank you.
A big single turbo car is the antithesis of a driver's car if you ask me. It's a drag car, like a 90's Supra. Kiss throttle response goodbye. And nothing ruins a driving experience like turbo lag. Nothing, nothing, nothing, then EVERYTHING. I'll take NA instantaneous throttle response, thank you.
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03-16-2023 | 08:53 PM
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Some swapped 996’s have done well on enthusiast auction sites.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-86/
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/370...-carrera-coupe
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/370...-carrera-coupe
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-86/
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/370...-carrera-coupe
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/370...-carrera-coupe
Besides, at the rate we are at, if the electrification "progress" continues, we all have limited days left driving these glorious sounding cars. Instead, we will be driving vehicles that are more appliances or a smartphone than a car, and in the process losing vehicles that have a semblance of a soul.....
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03-16-2023 | 10:53 PM
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Just for the record, the 718 flat 4 is an excellent motor to live with on a daily basis. People hate on it but I have one in the family that my cousin daily drives. He could easily jump to another car NBD but he loves the 914ishness of the 718 boxster. I would actually love to see this swap. With a pretty gentle tune, these motors can RIP too. I am also all in for the Audi 2.7 swaps. Those are so cool. K swaps seem weird because the motor would sit so high and it is really shoehorned in. LS are fine too but I like the family connection of the audi in a sorted strong motor with a TON of aftermarket, or the 912esque nature of a 718 swap that could look absolutely factory and be FAST with very little mods. Just IMO (flame suit engaged).
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03-17-2023 | 08:18 PM
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03-18-2023 | 03:44 PM
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03-18-2023 | 09:02 PM
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