Repairing my PDK Gearbox Experience & Guide
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I'm using a brass punch, and hitting the inner ring of the bearings where it meets the shafts. I've hammered slowly first, then harder past the point where I feel comfortable. The bottom one specially just won't budge. They'll slide in quite a ways, and the case is very close to closing around the perimeter. But it's the last mm that go past the slots where the snap rings go that won't slide. I feel if I hammer any harder, something is gonna break internally.
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Good afternoon. We're a shop in Burbank, CA and we're currently attempting the repair for the distance sensors on a 2012 911. New sensor from T9 is in, and in putting the case back together, I cannot push the bearings on the shafts enough to install the snap rings back in place for both shafts. This is a 2wd. I've removed the case a second time to see if something was binding, but nothing I can see. Was just wondering if anyone had faced the same issue, and how it was resolved.
Thank you in advance for any input.
-David
Thank you in advance for any input.
-David
One thing to consider is that the bearings are standard sizes and are replaceable with the case removed. Amet lists the sizes over in the PDK repair thread comments (around #500) and we googled the PN's and found some references. So even if the bearing does get damaged it's not the end of the world. As far as I know no one has replaced them yet but all of this stuff is a first and that's how we've gotten this far.
Assuming the shaft isn't moving, you may have to rig up something to punch (or press) the bearing back on. Have you tried a tube just larger than the shaft to press uniformly on the bearing inner race? Uniform pressure around the entire circumference and a good wrap with a mallet might get it to budge. I'd mark the bearing position with a piece of tape (or something) so you can see if it moves at all then alternate back and forth between the two shafts. There's probably also a way to rig up a press that pushes on the bearing and pulls on the shaft using the shaft threads. Good luck and please let us know how it goes and post a photo if you come up with tooling that works.
Edit: Also, thanks for taking on this work. It's great to see that more and more shops are willing to give try this a try and giving owners options.
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PV 997 and other contributors: If RL gave an award for continuous threads that have been the most helpful to the entire community, I would nominate you and this thread immediately! Thank you.
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Hi David - Just to be clear, is the case not fully closing or is there float in the shaft so it's moving inward? You can check the case by seeing if the bolt hole on the side (bolt shown in the original post photos) is lining up. I suspect the shaft is just slightly larger around the circlip groove and the bearing is hanging up.
One thing to consider is that the bearings are standard sizes and are replaceable with the case removed. Amet lists the sizes over in the PDK repair thread comments (around #500) and we googled the PN's and found some references. So even if the bearing does get damaged it's not the end of the world. As far as I know no one has replaced them yet but all of this stuff is a first and that's how we've gotten this far.
Assuming the shaft isn't moving, you may have to rig up something to punch (or press) the bearing back on. Have you tried a tube just larger than the shaft to press uniformly on the bearing inner race? Uniform pressure around the entire circumference and a good wrap with a mallet might get it to budge. I'd mark the bearing position with a piece of tape (or something) so you can see if it moves at all then alternate back and forth between the two shafts. There's probably also a way to rig up a press that pushes on the bearing and pulls on the shaft using the shaft threads. Good luck and please let us know how it goes and post a photo if you come up with tooling that works.
Edit: Also, thanks for taking on this work. It's great to see that more and more shops are willing to give try this a try and giving owners options.
One thing to consider is that the bearings are standard sizes and are replaceable with the case removed. Amet lists the sizes over in the PDK repair thread comments (around #500) and we googled the PN's and found some references. So even if the bearing does get damaged it's not the end of the world. As far as I know no one has replaced them yet but all of this stuff is a first and that's how we've gotten this far.
Assuming the shaft isn't moving, you may have to rig up something to punch (or press) the bearing back on. Have you tried a tube just larger than the shaft to press uniformly on the bearing inner race? Uniform pressure around the entire circumference and a good wrap with a mallet might get it to budge. I'd mark the bearing position with a piece of tape (or something) so you can see if it moves at all then alternate back and forth between the two shafts. There's probably also a way to rig up a press that pushes on the bearing and pulls on the shaft using the shaft threads. Good luck and please let us know how it goes and post a photo if you come up with tooling that works.
Edit: Also, thanks for taking on this work. It's great to see that more and more shops are willing to give try this a try and giving owners options.
I see the internal thread to the shafts, and I'm working on devising a way to grab it and use it to push the bearings in. I'm thinking threaded plumbing pipe? Idk, we'll see.
And I will definitely check back in with my solution. Thank you again for your time.
-David
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Hi David - Just to be clear, is the case not fully closing or is there float in the shaft so it's moving inward? You can check the case by seeing if the bolt hole on the side (bolt shown in the original post photos) is lining up. I suspect the shaft is just slightly larger around the circlip groove and the bearing is hanging up.
One thing to consider is that the bearings are standard sizes and are replaceable with the case removed. Amet lists the sizes over in the PDK repair thread comments (around #500) and we googled the PN's and found some references. So even if the bearing does get damaged it's not the end of the world. As far as I know no one has replaced them yet but all of this stuff is a first and that's how we've gotten this far.
Assuming the shaft isn't moving, you may have to rig up something to punch (or press) the bearing back on. Have you tried a tube just larger than the shaft to press uniformly on the bearing inner race? Uniform pressure around the entire circumference and a good wrap with a mallet might get it to budge. I'd mark the bearing position with a piece of tape (or something) so you can see if it moves at all then alternate back and forth between the two shafts. There's probably also a way to rig up a press that pushes on the bearing and pulls on the shaft using the shaft threads. Good luck and please let us know how it goes and post a photo if you come up with tooling that works.
Edit: Also, thanks for taking on this work. It's great to see that more and more shops are willing to give try this a try and giving owners options.
One thing to consider is that the bearings are standard sizes and are replaceable with the case removed. Amet lists the sizes over in the PDK repair thread comments (around #500) and we googled the PN's and found some references. So even if the bearing does get damaged it's not the end of the world. As far as I know no one has replaced them yet but all of this stuff is a first and that's how we've gotten this far.
Assuming the shaft isn't moving, you may have to rig up something to punch (or press) the bearing back on. Have you tried a tube just larger than the shaft to press uniformly on the bearing inner race? Uniform pressure around the entire circumference and a good wrap with a mallet might get it to budge. I'd mark the bearing position with a piece of tape (or something) so you can see if it moves at all then alternate back and forth between the two shafts. There's probably also a way to rig up a press that pushes on the bearing and pulls on the shaft using the shaft threads. Good luck and please let us know how it goes and post a photo if you come up with tooling that works.
Edit: Also, thanks for taking on this work. It's great to see that more and more shops are willing to give try this a try and giving owners options.
One more thing I did just as a precaution was that I removed the oil cooler and pump assembly. In my previous attempts I had the cooler/pump assembly installed because I figured that the square on the pump shaft should slide in without any issues. This time around I removed it completely just in case the square on the pump shaft was also preventing me from closing the case properly.
Thank you PV997 for your input. And thank you for making your experience and knowledge available to us on this forum.
-David M.
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Found what was preventing me from closing the case properly. The bottom shaft has a spacer that is the stop for the bottom bearing once it's driven all the way into the shaft. This spacer fits the circumference of the area of the gear that this bottom bearing faces, and serves as the stop between the gear and the bearing. BUT the spacer is a larger circumference than the area of the shaft where the bearing sweats onto. SO, hammering the bearing onto the shaft, caused this spacer to slide out of its home, and prevent the bearing from reaching the stop of the shaft. Solution: I used red assembly grease which is really tacky, to keep the spacer in place as I hammered on the bearing. Both bearings now slid in all the way first try, and the slots for the snap rings are now exposed properly, so I can install them correctly.
-David M.
-David M.
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5th Gear
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There are photos of the tool in this forum. The main thing is to have a stiff tool that does not bend when screwing the bolts. 1/2" thick steel plate did the job for us.
I did go to Michelin Raceway Road Atlanta in mid-September and the PDK transmission with t-design9.com's PDK position sensor worked very well under stressful conditions. I drove around the track at high speed for 5 hours over two days. I was in Sports Plus mode and manually shifted at around 6800 RPM instead of letting it go to redline (~7400 RPM) and the transmission worked smoothly. I am relieved and pleased that the transmission was repaired and we did not have to replace it.
I did go to Michelin Raceway Road Atlanta in mid-September and the PDK transmission with t-design9.com's PDK position sensor worked very well under stressful conditions. I drove around the track at high speed for 5 hours over two days. I was in Sports Plus mode and manually shifted at around 6800 RPM instead of letting it go to redline (~7400 RPM) and the transmission worked smoothly. I am relieved and pleased that the transmission was repaired and we did not have to replace it.
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Somebody should start making and selling that tool.
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Good afternoon. We're a shop in Burbank, CA and we're currently attempting the repair for the distance sensors on a 2012 911. New sensor from T9 is in, and in putting the case back together, I cannot push the bearings on the shafts enough to install the snap rings back in place for both shafts. This is a 2wd. I've removed the case a second time to see if something was binding, but nothing I can see. Was just wondering if anyone had faced the same issue, and how it was resolved.
Thank you in advance for any input.
-David
Thank you in advance for any input.
-David
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Just replaced one of these sensor on a 981. Got a T design one followed all the good guides on here. Made a tool to pull the casing off too. Thanks for all the help guys. That's one problem PDK out my workshop
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Still working on that one. That ones a 991. Tried bleeding with genuine PIWIS but still fails on the same place. Looking at getting a second hand box but can not find the same code one. Don't suppose any one knows the differences in gear box codes ? The one i need is a CG350. Can get a CG300 and CG400 but not sure if they will work in my car.
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Did anyone figure out a replacement for the 30TM07U2 bearing? Apparently I need one of those as my shop is doing the T9 sensor replacement. Not sure how the bearing got compromised in the process, but that's the last piece to getting my car back. Thanks!