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There are surprisingly few installers in the Boston area. SST isn't far away and is well known and respected for their work on Porsches. I'm very confident they'd do a great job, but they're not available for some time due to their support of multiple race series. I'm also three hours away from them, so not exactly convenient. There's a local shop (30 minutes away) that I've never heard of, but has done the change on at least one other PDK. They're quoting a very reasonable price for the work and seem quite pragmatic and knowledgeable. Would I be crazy to use a non-porsche specialist for this? I spoke with the mechanic that has decades of transmission experience and his point was "it's just removing the case, doing some soldering, and reversing. It's not exactly complicated". He's not wrong...
I spoke with the mechanic that has decades of transmission experience and his point was "it's just removing the case, doing some soldering, and reversing. It's not exactly complicated". He's not wrong...
He isn't and he is... kind of There is actually another significant step in the process - calibration. Because of complete lack of information from the company that designed the software (Porsche/ZF) - in some cases calibration can be extremely frustrating and entirely possible to not be able to finish it. The software will stop, give a non-descriptive error, and no hints what to do about it. Or worse. It happens in a small % of installations, but if you run into problems with calibration - you are back to square 1. But if you are at the one of the very experienced shops - they will *always* finish it successfully .
I'm not really sure what to do with this advice. You're saying there's a potential challenge during software calibration of the unit. You're also saying that a Porsche specific shop is more likely to know how to interpret and resolve the non-descriptive error. As the designer of the product, I would assume you'd want to share that knowledge with any installer to which you/Vlad refer prospective customers. Is that happening and can shops count on support from T-Design during installation of the product? I've run the PIWIS calibration on this car in the past without issue, but that wasn't after the replacement of any parts so this slightly ominous warning is concerning.
Last edited by Ubermensch; 07-12-2024 at 12:06 PM.
He isn't and he is... kind of There is actually another significant step in the process - calibration. Because of complete lack of information from the company that designed the software (Porsche/ZF) - in some cases calibration can be extremely frustrating and entirely possible to not be able to finish it. The software will stop, give a non-descriptive error, and no hints what to do about it. Or worse. It happens in a small % of installations, but if you run into problems with calibration - you are back to square 1. But if you are at the one of the very experienced shops - they will *always* finish it successfully .
I see there is no price for the Sensor on your website. Whats the cost for the Sensor and whats the average cost for installation?
I see there is no price for the Sensor on your website. Whats the cost for the Sensor and whats the average cost for installation?
I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that the sensor is ~$2k. I'm getting quotes of service in the $3-5k range if the transmission is removed to do the work. It sounds like it can be accomplished without removing the transmission on Caymans due to their orientation, but if someone can confirm that it would be great.
>I'm not really sure what to do with this advice.
PDK-repair experienced shop will have better knowledge of how to complete repair. It's not always as simple as open-solder-close.
>You're saying there's a potential challenge during software calibration of the unit.
Yes.
>You're also saying that a Porsche specific shop is more likely to know how to interpret and resolve the non-descriptive error.
Not Porsche-specific shop. Porsche-PDK-repair specific shop. Shop that does a lot of PDK repairs
> As the designer of the product, I would assume you'd want to share that knowledge with any installer to which you/Vlad refer prospective customers.
Of course we share all the knowledge we have with our partners. I'm talking about internal knowledge of calibration software, which only Porsche/ZF has. In normal world, if program stops and give the error, you'd expect to be able to get some explanations on the error and guide on what causing it and how to proceed. PIWIS will give you nothing other than some puzzling "software teaching error". Period. It's is also possible to brick TCU during the calibration. If shop doesn't know how to recover from that... That's why I'm saying it's not always as simple as open-solder-close, and the shop that has more experience will have better chance of dealing with it. Because after going through number of this scenarios, trying this and that 100 times... to see if that helps to get through... professionals will work out and learn some intangible things that are impossible to put in writing, but will help them next time. Like in any professional area really.
I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that the sensor is ~$2k. I'm getting quotes of service in the $3-5k range if the transmission is removed to do the work. It sounds like it can be accomplished without removing the transmission on Caymans due to their orientation, but if someone can confirm that it would be great.
Very easy to do with the transmission installed on Cayman/Boxster. Easy to do on the 911s.
I’ve got a 987.2 PDK getting a new distance sensor. I had the Porsche dealer order replacement caps for the rear case, which are superceded from the original part number. Ordered 9G1.321.360.00 and got 9P1-301-125. This is what the new caps look like. Any concerns?
EDIT: Seems like part 9P130615 is the part needed for the 987.2 cover seal. It looks like the part I removed:
Removed Caps
@cbracerx
It looks like you updated your post with a different part number that doesn't show up in any catalog: 9P130615. So did the parts your received (9P1-301-125) work, or is there some other mystery cap for the 987.2?
@cbracerx
It looks like you updated your post with a different part number that doesn't show up in any catalog: 9P130615. So did the parts your received (9P1-301-125) work, or is there some other mystery cap for the 987.2?
The caps I pictured did not work for the 987.2 PDK and I don't know yet what version of PDK they will work on! I ended up reusing the caps without issue - I had removed them pulling with a single hook near the center of the cap so they were easy to seal with oil resistant Permatex and reinstall.
Thanks, I appreciate you following up for my sake and the community good. I wonder what the deal with the caps is? Where did that part number you posted (9P130615) come from? It seems to be missing a digit.
07-11-2024, 09:26 AM
There is actually another significant step in the process - calibration. Because of complete lack of information from the company that designed the software (Porsche/ZF) - in some cases calibration can be extremely frustrating and entirely possible to not be able to finish it. The software will stop, give a non-descriptive error, and no hints what to do about it. Or worse. It happens in a small % of installations, but if you run into problems with calibration - you are back to square 1. But if you are at the one of the very experienced shops - they will *always* finish it successfully .
