Prairiedawg

Aw C'mon, we all love a good debate. That's what the forum is for. Otherwise it would be one or two posts.

63mercedes

I like a tough crowd ha ha I say 88k give or take 3-4k in either direction.

Greg2010

You're probably right on 1 of 2 counts

Petza914

It's not just the manual 911s. Look up the past 5 957 Cayenne GTSs that had manual transmissions and what they sold for on BAT It's ridiculous money over the same year, model, and comparably equipped GTS with the Tiptronic. That specific car is in demand because it's the highest performance Cayenne of that generation you could get that had a MT option. It was actually the model I started my Cayenne search for, but after driving a couple of those against the Turbos and the Turbo S models, the MT with the long throws and mediocre feel became more of a novelty than an performance enhancement so I ended up with the Turbo S and then modified to my taste from there. Starting with the next generation, I'm not sure you could even get a Cayenne with a MT and if you could it was the base v6 engine version, so it also made the 957 GTS the last offering of it's kind. Had Porsche not brought the manual back in the 991.2 GT3, you would have seen the same thing happening to the 997.2 GT3 since they did away with the MT in the GT3 version of the 991.1.

pascalemod

Not sure what is all the enthusiasm, same forum never recommends buying an old car that was barely used due to all the aging its components take when they are idle. Meaning all the rubber gaskets drying up, all the electrics, all the liquids going bad.

May be this is different but unicorns dont exist last I checked, so bound to be taken with a healthy dose of scepticism. Id prefer a well driven GTS with higher miles to this...

GTSpure

Sorry but I do not think so.
Turbo is not considered "special" in Porsche terms. GT3 - Yes.
As for GTS it is not correct to compare it to X51 because not everything is expressed in the X51 package in GTS. Recall that GTS comes with WB which is very rare. Only GT3RS and GT2 (997) come with WB + rear-wheel drive.

Jack667

Really? 911 Turbo is iconic and absolutely special. 911, 964, 993. Even 996 and 997 Metzger. I'm not so sure about 991 and 992, just as I'm not up to speed on the latest. But in the context of 997 and prior, the above statement is far off from most of the enthusiast world. Here's an example: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...6Mq6TemDw2E2jE

Doug H

Turbo has always been the one to have since I was in high school, primarily for the wide bodies and the big tails along with the torque conspicuously absent in the NA cars. They are all Turbos now with low end torque so perhaps now the Turbo isn’t as necessay.

That said, there has always been a substantial premium on price for turbo when comparing NA and Turbo of SAME model. The 997.2 Turbo with a manual you linked with 31k miles bid up to $120k.

The 33k mile GTS with a manual only bid up to $80k so Petza’s concern about manual GTSs reaching or getting close to turbo money for LIKE cars was pretty far off base. A 997.2 Turbo with a manual and only 4K miles would be super expensive.

Mezger cars are great, but the DFIs right now are better mechanically. I do think the 94 3.6 Turbo and the 993 Turbo are still some of the best looking cars Porsche ever made though.

BTW, the 997 Turbo is DFI, not Mezger.
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GTSpure

I was talking about the new new vehicles ..
The turbo is mostly expensive and special but in my opinion not Rare (the production numbers speak for themselves).
Air cooling is something else..

Jack667

I thought Mezger's were in Turbos through 2009... That's why I said 997 Mezgers...

Petza914

Yea, except it wasn't. Here's 5 turbos all with fewer than 30,000 miles, for under $90k and one in the $60s and if you're talking about that GTS at $114k then all but one of those in the search below is similar money or less. Though I selected MT in the search box,it still threw in some Tips, as we know that the Tiptronic cars sell for less.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&numRecords=25


This one is especially well equipped for $85k with Sport Chrono, PCCBs, Adaptive seats, etc right in the mid-80s where I said they could be found with under 30k miles - https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing

Petza914

Jack, you are correct. That's why MY IDEA of the perfect Turbo is the 2009. Updated 997.2 interior with the classic Mezger engine design and prior to DFI.

Doug H

Those are 2007 through 2009 997.1s, not 997,2s. Comparing Appels to Oranges.

Greg2010

Now at $73k, 2-days to go.

Doug H

Lol, this thread and the car we are discussing is a 997.2 (997.2 GTS to be exact) hence the focus on 997.2 Turbos, at least for me. This thing is coming off rails and getting confusing.