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Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:20 PM
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I've found adding Vitamin D to my oil has greatly increased the health of my IMS.
Removing the Grease Seal is a good idea too.


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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by heavysixer22
Funny, as these are also the do's and don'ts I've seen to avoid bore scoring in 997.1's.

Must be good for a ll engine-related boogeymen!
I lol'ed. Some of these are good things to do in practice and others seem to add a burden to what should be a fun driving experience.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Petza914
Idling in a .1 to warm it up is bad for 2 reasons. One, the DME puts the car in enrichment mode when it first starts to dump extra fuel into the exhaust to warm up the cats and reduce pollution sooner. This extra fuel if not being used by the engine to propel the car can wash oil off the cylinder walls and contribute to bore scoring. Two, at idle is when the load on the IMS bearing is the greatest because Thera very little centrifugal force acting on it. When the engine is spinning faster, the shaft tends to self-centered in the bearing so theres less physical load on the ***** in the bearing and the internal ***** tend to float between the races.

Also, once warmed up, the rpms should be kept above 2,000 rpm so as not to lug the motor, and if accelerating hard, downshift first, but they don't need to be kept above 3,000 rpm all the time unless you want to annoy everyone around you and have them think you don't know how to drive a manual.
I usually wait till cold idle drops too 800rpm and then immediately drive away, which is about 90 seconds or so. Is this too long also and a habit I should stop immediately?

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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Porto911
I usually wait till cold idle drops too 800rpm and then immediately drive away, which is about 90 seconds or so. Is this too long also and a habit I should stop immediately?

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Waiting any amount of time beyond oil pressure (1-3 seconds) is too long, IMO. Will you destroy your engine? No. How much does it really matter? Not sure. Is it better to drive off immediately? I think so.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Porto911
I usually wait till cold idle drops too 800rpm and then immediately drive away, which is about 90 seconds or so. Is this too long also and a habit I should stop immediately?

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​​​​​​It shouldn't take more than about 30 seconds for the elevated revs to drop. Drive off after that.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Petza914
​​​​​​It shouldn't take more than about 30 seconds for the elevated revs to drop. Drive off after that.
problem with mine it’s 90-120 seconds when Idle drops. Took her out this morning and timed it to confirmed. 2mins on the dot! With most theory’s now, 2mins does sound lots or no?

Tried looking up Flat6 Innovation on cold startup video, with no luck.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 09:16 PM
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I don't think mine stays high for that long, but haven't driven it since October, so don't remember. Either way, drive off after 30 seconds or so.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by groovzilla
I've found adding Vitamin D to my oil has greatly increased the health of my IMS.
Removing the Grease Seal is a good idea too.


Groov, do you recommend breaking up the Vitamin D pill into a powder and mixing with a little oil before pouring into the engine or just dropping it in the oil filler tube? How many should I put in per week? Daily regime?
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Old Aug 31, 2020 | 12:06 AM
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We need a sarcasm font so some newbie doesn't actually put vitamin D into his engine.
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Old Aug 31, 2020 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Petza914
Also, once warmed up, the rpms should be kept above 2,000 rpm so as not to lug the motor, and if accelerating hard, downshift first, but they don't need to be kept above 3,000 rpm all the time unless you want to annoy everyone around you and have them think you don't know how to drive a manual.
This is why I never understood why Porsche is selling (I assume they still are) PDK cars without sport chrono. I always put mine in sport mode and auto until warmed up. Shifts at around 3,000 rpm this way. Now and then I get distracted by a phone call or whatever and forget to configure it this way backing out of the garage in the morning. PDK in auto/normal mode will shift to second gear at 3 or 4 mph or basically as soon as you start moving and you'll be in 6th gear at 30 mph.

So someone driving a PDK car without sport chrono in auto mode only will probably never get above 2,000 rpm unless speeding on the nearest interstate. And even that would take some effort since in auto mode it'll go into 7th gear and you're in the 2,000 rpm zone (or lower) even if speeding.
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Old Aug 31, 2020 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sandwedge
This is why I never understood why Porsche is selling (I assume they still are) PDK cars without sport chrono. I always put mine in sport mode and auto until warmed up. Shifts at around 3,000 rpm this way. Now and then I get distracted by a phone call or whatever and forget to configure it this way backing out of the garage in the morning. PDK in auto/normal mode will shift to second gear at 3 or 4 mph or basically as soon as you start moving and you'll be in 6th gear at 30 mph.

So someone driving a PDK car without sport chrono in auto mode only will probably never get above 2,000 rpm unless speeding on the nearest interstate. And even that would take some effort since in auto mode it'll go into 7th gear and you're in the 2,000 rpm zone (or lower) even if speeding.
Have the same issue with my 09 Cayenne Turbo S, even in sport mode. I'm constantly bumping the - button to have it shift back up. The transmission does whatever it can to Lee the rpms at 1,500 when cruising along and when you press the gas, you can feel the roughness of the engine laboring. I'm sure this is all done to get the absolute maximum gas mileage and improve the manufacter fuel economy numbers, but it's a pain. I actually bough some small Mercedes paddles and am going to add them to the back of the wheel so I can drive it in full Manual mode easier. Wish I could reprogram it so the rpms would never be below 2,000 rpm.
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Old Aug 31, 2020 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Petza914
We need a sarcasm font so some newbie doesn't actually put vitamin D into his engine.
What? You mean Groov wasn't serious?
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Old Aug 31, 2020 | 01:16 PM
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I have'nt read anywhere to clarify, beyond late 05 is most likely "dual row bearings? Do I assume that the "removing the oil seal" applies only to single row replaceable bearings since dual row is not removable without splitting the case?
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Old Aug 31, 2020 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Khloesdad
I have'nt read anywhere to clarify, beyond late 05 is most likely "dual row bearings? Do I assume that the "removing the oil seal" applies only to single row replaceable bearings since dual row is not removable without splitting the case?
You have your terms a little mixed up. There were three types of bearings used. Small single row, small dual row, and large single row. Mid 05 though 08 used the large single row and that's the one that's not replaceable, so that's the one you remove the outer grease seal from. Both of the other 2 you replace the whole bearing.

The small single rows failed quickly and spectacularly. The dual rows had a much longer failure process and usually distributed shrapnel through the motor for a long time before they completely failed. This is why products like the IMS Guardian were created that captured ferrous debris from the oil and when enough had been accumulated, alerted you via a warning light.
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Old Aug 31, 2020 | 01:28 PM
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Thanks Pete. Thats why I was wanting to clarify. Now I have my answer. My clutch was replaced a year ago. Wish I could go back and have had the seal removed then.
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