Thoughts on a high mileage 2009 C4S with PDK
#16
Rennlist Member
I'm not a seriously aggressive driver like the old days. I drive fast and take turns fast but I find the C2 nimbler in the corners especially with the H&R springs which give a 1.2" drop - I also found this to be true with my 996 C2 vs. my 996 C4S.
And I also wanted to mention I didn't mean to give the impression you needed the money or needed to sell your salvaged Cab. I just understand from watching the Porsche market for 36 years how difficult it is to sell a salvaged Porsche unless you basically give it away at a very reduced value.
Just the way it is. Especially with a Cab because they tend to be lower market value to begin with. SO I felt better to get rid of it now with summer approaching for better value
All the best.
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#17
There's a case to be made that PDK failures, while expensive, are exceedingly more rare than we'd think from the common belief on forums. The PDK has been available on 911, Boxster, Cayman, Panamera, and Macan for over ten years now. If PDK oopsies were on the scale of ims failure, or even air-oil separator breakage, we'd well know; there'd be no way to cover that up with at least 150000 PDKs sold.
I've got an 09 C4S droptop with the pdk, over 110k miles, and it's been perfectly fine. Don't be scared of the miles. Sport plus launch control is hilarious.
I've got an 09 C4S droptop with the pdk, over 110k miles, and it's been perfectly fine. Don't be scared of the miles. Sport plus launch control is hilarious.
Last edited by niacin; 06-17-2020 at 06:35 PM.
#18
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
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There's a case to be made that PDK failures, while expensive, are exceedingly more rare than we'd think from the common belief on forums. The PDK has been available on 911, Boxster, Cayman, Panamera, and Macan for over ten years now. If PDK oopsies were on the scale of ims failure, or even air-oil separator breakage, we'd well know; there'd be no way to cover that up with at least 150000 PDKs sold.
I've got an 09 C4S droptop with the pdk, over 110k miles, and it's been perfectly fine. Don't be scared of the miles. Sport plus launch control is hilarious.
I've got an 09 C4S droptop with the pdk, over 110k miles, and it's been perfectly fine. Don't be scared of the miles. Sport plus launch control is hilarious.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
#19
Per Gpappy, he can afford to buy a new Porsche. So an escrow account for future repairs shouldn't be too big a deal.
While I would hesitate on a high mileage 997.1 I would have far less concern regarding a 997.2. They are different animals. Everything I see tells me the 997.2 was over engineered to be ultra reliable ... Something Porsche really needed to do. I see no common failure modes in this generation. And that goes for high mileage examples as well as garage queens.
And while some of us pile up miles quickly, it appears this is a weekend fun car, so miles will accumulate much more slowly.
Under the known circumstances this would seem like a reasonable purchase if you ignore the debate between PDK and MT. But that discussion is a completely different can of worms.
While I would hesitate on a high mileage 997.1 I would have far less concern regarding a 997.2. They are different animals. Everything I see tells me the 997.2 was over engineered to be ultra reliable ... Something Porsche really needed to do. I see no common failure modes in this generation. And that goes for high mileage examples as well as garage queens.
And while some of us pile up miles quickly, it appears this is a weekend fun car, so miles will accumulate much more slowly.
Under the known circumstances this would seem like a reasonable purchase if you ignore the debate between PDK and MT. But that discussion is a completely different can of worms.
#20
Racer
Thread Starter
All great thoughts, thank you all for sharing.
At the right price I would probably pick this up but they have already turned down my offer. I have been contacted about a 2013 with 10k more miles for the same price. Might be worth looking at.
At the right price I would probably pick this up but they have already turned down my offer. I have been contacted about a 2013 with 10k more miles for the same price. Might be worth looking at.
#22
2013 is 991 with electric steering. Great car but quite different than a 997 with hydraulic steering. Just saying.
#23
Nordschleife Master
There's a case to be made that PDK failures, while expensive, are exceedingly more rare than we'd think from the common belief on forums. The PDK has been available on 911, Boxster, Cayman, Panamera, and Macan for over ten years now. If PDK oopsies were on the scale of ims failure, or even air-oil separator breakage, we'd well know; there'd be no way to cover that up with at least 150000 PDKs sold.
I've got an 09 C4S droptop with the pdk, over 110k miles, and it's been perfectly fine. Don't be scared of the miles. Sport plus launch control is hilarious.
I've got an 09 C4S droptop with the pdk, over 110k miles, and it's been perfectly fine. Don't be scared of the miles. Sport plus launch control is hilarious.
#24
I had a manual 997.1 coupe for 5 years and a .2 PDK cab for 1 year. I loved the manual and really liked the cabriolet but not so much the PDK. It's really cool, for sure, and shifts way faster/smarter than I ever could but I just wasn't into it. I track my car occasionally and do Monte Carlo rallys but am not into absolute times. Just the fun and involvement. Even in LA traffic I prefer shifting myself - been doing so for 35 years and I'm not going to stop now.
Currently on the hunt for a new 997.2 or 991 with manual. If you want a manual you should wait for one.
Currently on the hunt for a new 997.2 or 991 with manual. If you want a manual you should wait for one.
#25
Race Director
definitely drive it first. My mother has a low mile pristine 09 C4S with PDK and the transmission is awful. Just awful. Clunky, laggy, unpredictable. Flat out junk.
I'd definitely skip a high mile PDK, but then, i'd also just skip pdk totally
I'd definitely skip a high mile PDK, but then, i'd also just skip pdk totally
#26
PDK sucks! I love mine by the way, puts a smile on my face every time. "Clunky, laggy, unpredictable" ...something is broken. I however vote for patience and the 996 option. Its all about individual experiences and preferences. Too many people start at this point and get frustrated or disappointed. All of these cars are expensive, always have been and will be. Build a war chest for expenses.