HPDE and stock brakes
#16
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Get a Deep sump with baffles. I went with the Mantis Sport. 3rd Rad is nice.
Pay attention to long right sweepers... the oil pressure drops due to the oil not being able to return from the heads
because the scavenge pump is on the front of the head on the left bank.
Short shift before these corners.
Brakes, Pagids were a bit to aggressive (on / off) for street tires for me. I like PFC08 and am running Yoko AD08R's.
You'll need high temp fluid. Motul is great SRF is better.
These are long term upgrades but just know that the .1 (m97) has some inherent design flaws that are exacerbated on the track.
It can be done, I've tracked mine for years, but you need to be honest about it's limits and don't go crazy.
That being said, I got tired of holding back so I bought a 997.2 GT3 for track duty and retired the 997.1 S w/ 98k Miles
back to a weekend fun car.
Pay attention to long right sweepers... the oil pressure drops due to the oil not being able to return from the heads
because the scavenge pump is on the front of the head on the left bank.
Short shift before these corners.
Brakes, Pagids were a bit to aggressive (on / off) for street tires for me. I like PFC08 and am running Yoko AD08R's.
You'll need high temp fluid. Motul is great SRF is better.
These are long term upgrades but just know that the .1 (m97) has some inherent design flaws that are exacerbated on the track.
It can be done, I've tracked mine for years, but you need to be honest about it's limits and don't go crazy.
That being said, I got tired of holding back so I bought a 997.2 GT3 for track duty and retired the 997.1 S w/ 98k Miles
back to a weekend fun car.
#17
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Get a Deep sump with baffles. I went with the Mantis Sport. 3rd Rad is nice.
Pay attention to long right sweepers... the oil pressure drops due to the oil not being able to return from the heads
because the scavenge pump is on the front of the head on the left bank.
Short shift before these corners.
Brakes, Pagids were a bit to aggressive (on / off) for street tires for me. I like PFC08 and am running Yoko AD08R's.
You'll need high temp fluid. Motul is great SRF is better.
These are long term upgrades but just know that the .1 (m97) has some inherent design flaws that are exacerbated on the track.
It can be done, I've tracked mine for years, but you need to be honest about it's limits and don't go crazy.
That being said, I got tired of holding back so I bought a 997.2 GT3 for track duty and retired the 997.1 S w/ 98k Miles
back to a weekend fun car.
Pay attention to long right sweepers... the oil pressure drops due to the oil not being able to return from the heads
because the scavenge pump is on the front of the head on the left bank.
Short shift before these corners.
Brakes, Pagids were a bit to aggressive (on / off) for street tires for me. I like PFC08 and am running Yoko AD08R's.
You'll need high temp fluid. Motul is great SRF is better.
These are long term upgrades but just know that the .1 (m97) has some inherent design flaws that are exacerbated on the track.
It can be done, I've tracked mine for years, but you need to be honest about it's limits and don't go crazy.
That being said, I got tired of holding back so I bought a 997.2 GT3 for track duty and retired the 997.1 S w/ 98k Miles
back to a weekend fun car.
You have to trim the lip from the stock oil pan baffle so it fits flush on the windage tray - an oscillating cutting tool works great for that.
Modified stock baffle on MantisSport windage tray
Deep sump installed - ignore the Fumoto Drain valve. That was only in there for 100 miles while I did a flush before switching from Motul xcess to Driven DT40
Finished with LN Engineering Magnetic Drain plug and Stainless Skid Plate. Note the plate has a nice cutout for oil filter access so it doesn't have to be removed for oil changes.
In addition to the front radiator, I would also recommend you switch to Driven DT40 oil for your 997.1 motor. It will withstand engine temperatures up to 300 degrees without breakdown and has high levels of Zinc & Phosphorous (ZDDP) needed to protect these motors.
Once you wear out your stock rotors, you may want to replace them with something better. I recommend either Girodisc or dba (Disc Brakes Australia) 2-piece fronts with 1-piece rears that are slotted. The slots keep the pad material fresher, allow the gasses and water an egress route, and the metallurgy of these rotors is better than the stock ones. The dba's also have heat sensitive painted color bars so you can see how hot they're getting. Don't set your parking brake between DE sessions as the heat in the brakes can bond the parking brake shoe material to the inside of the rear rotor hubs. Leave the transmission in gear and use a couple wheel chocks.
These are the slotted dba's on my wife's car.
Front 2-piece
Rear 1-piece
part #s for an S with big-reds ...note the fronts here are rotor rings only, and don't include the hubs (as I already had those from the prior rotor change)
This is what the 2-piece Girodiscs look like (from my 928) - different slot design and these are actually 993TT rotors
I'd also recommend the LN Spin on Oil Filter adapter so you can run a metal canister filter and have a new bypass valve spring in the filter at each oil change.
Next time you do a water pump, also install a 160 degree low-temp thermostat so the engine warms up more gradually and so the thermostat is fully open at 180 degrees instead of the stock one that sometimes takes as long as 212 before it's fully open.
Motul RBF600 is also the brake fluid I'd recommend. Get yourself a Motive Power Bleeder and doing an annual refresh of the fluid or after each track day will be pretty easy. Depending on what wheels you have, you may not even need to remove them (I don't on any of my cars and use the RBF600 in all of them).
Good luck and most importantly, have fun !
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Come for brake fluid advice, leave with about two years worth of mod suggestions :-)
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#20
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I appreciate all the detailed input guys.
#21
Burning Brakes
pad suggestion
+1 on the PFC-08; great endurance pad and squeals just enough during street use to signal "hello race car"
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Hella-Buggin' (09-11-2019)
#22
Spot on here. The larger MantisSport Deep sump also has a windage tray as part of the setup and you move your existing S baffle over to the MantisSport sump. Once you do that, you'll be a little low in the back, so I'd also suggest the stainless skid plate from LN Engineering that is a thick, high quality piece that is compatible with the deep sump. That's the setup I have on my car.
Also, I see that ECS Tuning has a front DBA 2-piece rotor setup for the 997 but I don't see an option in the DBA catalog. Do they have one or do you have the ECS setup?
#23
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Spot on here. The larger MantisSport Deep sump also has a windage tray as part of the setup and you move your existing S baffle over to the MantisSport sump. Once you do that, you'll be a little low in the back, so I'd also suggest the stainless skid plate from LN Engineering that is a thick, high quality piece that is compatible with the deep sump. That's the setup I have on my car.
You have to trim the lip from the stock oil pan baffle so it fits flush on the windage tray - an oscillating cutting tool works great for that.
Modified stock baffle on MantisSport windage tray
Deep sump installed - ignore the Fumoto Drain valve. That was only in there for 100 miles while I did a flush before switching from Motul xcess to Driven DT40
Finished with LN Engineering Magnetic Drain plug and Stainless Skid Plate. Note the plate has a nice cutout for oil filter access so it doesn't have to be removed for oil changes.
In addition to the front radiator, I would also recommend you switch to Driven DT40 oil for your 997.1 motor. It will withstand engine temperatures up to 300 degrees without breakdown and has high levels of Zinc & Phosphorous (ZDDP) needed to protect these motors.
Once you wear out your stock rotors, you may want to replace them with something better. I recommend either Girodisc or dba (Disc Brakes Australia) 2-piece fronts with 1-piece rears that are slotted. The slots keep the pad material fresher, allow the gasses and water an egress route, and the metallurgy of these rotors is better than the stock ones. The dba's also have heat sensitive painted color bars so you can see how hot they're getting. Don't set your parking brake between DE sessions as the heat in the brakes can bond the parking brake shoe material to the inside of the rear rotor hubs. Leave the transmission in gear and use a couple wheel chocks.
These are the slotted dba's on my wife's car.
Front 2-piece
Rear 1-piece
part #s for an S with big-reds ...note the fronts here are rotor rings only, and don't include the hubs (as I already had those from the prior rotor change)
This is what the 2-piece Girodiscs look like (from my 928) - different slot design and these are actually 993TT rotors
I'd also recommend the LN Spin on Oil Filter adapter so you can run a metal canister filter and have a new bypass valve spring in the filter at each oil change.
Next time you do a water pump, also install a 160 degree low-temp thermostat so the engine warms up more gradually and so the thermostat is fully open at 180 degrees instead of the stock one that sometimes takes as long as 212 before it's fully open.
Motul RBF600 is also the brake fluid I'd recommend. Get yourself a Motive Power Bleeder and doing an annual refresh of the fluid or after each track day will be pretty easy. Depending on what wheels you have, you may not even need to remove them (I don't on any of my cars and use the RBF600 in all of them).
Good luck and most importantly, have fun !
You have to trim the lip from the stock oil pan baffle so it fits flush on the windage tray - an oscillating cutting tool works great for that.
Modified stock baffle on MantisSport windage tray
Deep sump installed - ignore the Fumoto Drain valve. That was only in there for 100 miles while I did a flush before switching from Motul xcess to Driven DT40
Finished with LN Engineering Magnetic Drain plug and Stainless Skid Plate. Note the plate has a nice cutout for oil filter access so it doesn't have to be removed for oil changes.
In addition to the front radiator, I would also recommend you switch to Driven DT40 oil for your 997.1 motor. It will withstand engine temperatures up to 300 degrees without breakdown and has high levels of Zinc & Phosphorous (ZDDP) needed to protect these motors.
Once you wear out your stock rotors, you may want to replace them with something better. I recommend either Girodisc or dba (Disc Brakes Australia) 2-piece fronts with 1-piece rears that are slotted. The slots keep the pad material fresher, allow the gasses and water an egress route, and the metallurgy of these rotors is better than the stock ones. The dba's also have heat sensitive painted color bars so you can see how hot they're getting. Don't set your parking brake between DE sessions as the heat in the brakes can bond the parking brake shoe material to the inside of the rear rotor hubs. Leave the transmission in gear and use a couple wheel chocks.
These are the slotted dba's on my wife's car.
Front 2-piece
Rear 1-piece
part #s for an S with big-reds ...note the fronts here are rotor rings only, and don't include the hubs (as I already had those from the prior rotor change)
This is what the 2-piece Girodiscs look like (from my 928) - different slot design and these are actually 993TT rotors
I'd also recommend the LN Spin on Oil Filter adapter so you can run a metal canister filter and have a new bypass valve spring in the filter at each oil change.
Next time you do a water pump, also install a 160 degree low-temp thermostat so the engine warms up more gradually and so the thermostat is fully open at 180 degrees instead of the stock one that sometimes takes as long as 212 before it's fully open.
Motul RBF600 is also the brake fluid I'd recommend. Get yourself a Motive Power Bleeder and doing an annual refresh of the fluid or after each track day will be pretty easy. Depending on what wheels you have, you may not even need to remove them (I don't on any of my cars and use the RBF600 in all of them).
Good luck and most importantly, have fun !
I'm planning on the Girodisc brake upgrade, I've done all maintenance and will do a PDK full service before taking it to the track.
I'm also in South FL - will have the 2010 911 as backup just in case to my dedicated track car with 9 track days scheduled, at 5 tracks, over 15 weeks span this Fall.
#24
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Thread Starter
Does any of this advice change for a 997.2 PDK C4S?
I'm planning on the Girodisc brake upgrade, I've done all maintenance and will do a PDK full service before taking it to the track.
I'm also in South FL - will have the 2010 911 as backup just in case to my dedicated track car with 9 track days scheduled, at 5 tracks, over 15 weeks span this Fall.
I'm planning on the Girodisc brake upgrade, I've done all maintenance and will do a PDK full service before taking it to the track.
I'm also in South FL - will have the 2010 911 as backup just in case to my dedicated track car with 9 track days scheduled, at 5 tracks, over 15 weeks span this Fall.
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#26
+1 These. Have put them on multiple mainly street driven Porsches that see track duty. Dusty, not too loud, and miss some of the bite of a full track pad. But, they are not harsh on rotors, will last and give you the security of not melting a stock set in less than a weekend, especially at Sebring.
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Does any of this advice change for a 997.2 PDK C4S?
I'm planning on the Girodisc brake upgrade, I've done all maintenance and will do a PDK full service before taking it to the track.
I'm also in South FL - will have the 2010 911 as backup just in case to my dedicated track car with 9 track days scheduled, at 5 tracks, over 15 weeks span this Fall.
I'm planning on the Girodisc brake upgrade, I've done all maintenance and will do a PDK full service before taking it to the track.
I'm also in South FL - will have the 2010 911 as backup just in case to my dedicated track car with 9 track days scheduled, at 5 tracks, over 15 weeks span this Fall.
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w0o (09-11-2019)
#28
Racer
Thread Starter
I will see you at Barber. Silver c2s 997.1. I am going to either do the 27th at Road Atlanta or Karting at AMP (suppose to have a great karting set up) then over to Barber for the 28th.
#29
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I went with the Mantis because it's one piece. The LN is a spacer and I was concerned about the additional seems leaking. The LN does utilize the X51 Baffle so
it's a nice option as well.
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Cool looking forward to it - I'll be in the #3 Silver BMW E36 M3 if everything goes to plan.