BAT Auction Thread
Three Wheelin'
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Just some feedback because I'll assume most have not sold on BAT. I was hands off because I hired a company to sell it and its better in my experience to stay detached. Even using a company that regularly sells on BAT it took about a month for them to work with BAT and get the car online. We submitted a lot detailed records on maintenance and invoices but BAT would not include them. For instance the invoice they posted was only the base FSI invoice but they would not show the second invoice that had 8k in extras. It was frustrating because I felt there was more value that was not represented and would have justified a sale closer to 40k. It seemed to me that BAT wanted this auction to be all about the FSI motor and nothing else. The new owner may find out that it was a better value than he/she bid on and I'm happy to have the car go to a new owner since shipping it to Grand Bahama makes no sense and I won't keep it parked for 10 months a year. Thanks to all who added value with their comments and I hope you enjoyed the auction.
Thanks again JW
Thanks again JW
Here are my thoughts...
As I mentioned on the other thread you started in the 996 forum, people paid $35K for the Raby engine and got the 997 as a bonus. I'm not trying to add insult to injury, but aside from the engine, your '05 base Carrera is still looked upon as the worst of the 997 bunch. Things didn't really look positive for the 997 Carreras until the 9A1 engine was implemented. The '05 Carreras have the same market stigma as the 996.2 single row IMS bearing cars.
That brings me back to my original point, people bid on this car because of the Raby engine IMHO. If it didn't have his engine in it, I bet you it wouldn't have exceeded $25K in light of the accident on the Carfax report. People that say Carfax doesn't have a big impact on car sales are crazy. It does!
In hindsight, you should have posted an official document from Carfax confirming the seller's statement that it was because of a broken windshield. Porsche buyers are the biggest bunch of tire kickers in the world. They are very apprehensive about claims not backed up by evidence. If it had been me, I would have contacted Carfax for documented proof. I've personally done it before on a car that I owned. I questioned an accident that showed up on my car, because wasn't very clear and I thought it would hurt my chances of getting top dollar for it when I traded it in. The Carfax representative was very kind and said it would take a week or more because they (i.e. Carfax) needed to contact the police department for copies of the police report. After a week, the Carfax representative emailed me scanned documentation of the report and everything lined up correctly. Sadly for me of course.
Therefore, it was just a simple damaged windshield, then having the police report and/or insurance report would have helped those buyers that were riding the fence on bidding on this auction. With that report, I bet you this car would have greatly exceeded $40,000. I wouldn't throw rocks at BAT, Flat 6 Innovations did a good job explaining the details of the work that went into the engine.
I agree with others, beautiful car that has a beast of an engine... someone got a slamming good deal.
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That is interesting. Weird why they would do that. I just sold my second car on BaT (I've bought one there, too), and I was not blocked from any content I wanted on there. But also, because you had an intermediary on there, you may have had less chance to supplement the info (See my comments below). But overall, I actually think I prefer being directly involved rather than being detached behind a professional seller. I get to answer questions as I see fit, and it keeps me engaged with the buyers, who then I think feel more comfortable buying the car. I just sold my 1986 930 for $92K (closed yesterday) and the buyer told me afterward that he was willing to go to that price (and higher) in his first-ever BaT auction, specifically because I was involved in the threads and seemed very trustworthy, open and honest. I think that aspect netted me an additional $12K. The car was stuck at $80K until 30 seconds to go, when this guy stepped in to win. So that bond, that trust (and my bullish guarantee in my comments) netted me 15% more in sales price.
Yes, that can work. Although they have always taken any photos I give them... if there is anything missing and I want it done quickly, I've supplemented with a comment and a link. As in a link to a YouTube I've shot or a link to a blog post that has the records or info I want presented. They generally don't block sellers from posting links. Bidders and watchers can't seem to post links to external content, though.
Yes, that can work. Although they have always taken any photos I give them... if there is anything missing and I want it done quickly, I've supplemented with a comment and a link. As in a link to a YouTube I've shot or a link to a blog post that has the records or info I want presented. They generally don't block sellers from posting links. Bidders and watchers can't seem to post links to external content, though.
For sure . . . I am usually a super busy person with practicing law and running non-law related businesses and I always take control whether selling or purchasing. Doesn't take any more time to post on here than respond to a few questions with first-hand knowledge, especially when it comes to value related issues such as Car Fax wreck and rebuilt engine.
I cannot imagine BAT screening info or receipts. Perhaps this dealer intermediary screwed up and blamed BAT because BAT would or any auction house would not prevent seller from offering honest, legitimate information that impacts the value of the car.
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It appears you're disappointed with the outcome and approach by BAT. Sorry.
Here are my thoughts...
As I mentioned on the other thread you started in the 996 forum, people paid $35K for the Raby engine and got the 997 as a bonus. I'm not trying to add insult to injury, but aside from the engine, your '05 base Carrera is still looked upon as the worst of the 997 bunch. Things didn't really look positive for the 997 Carreras until the 9A1 engine was implemented. The '05 Carreras have the same market stigma as the 996.2 single row IMS bearing cars.
That brings me back to my original point, people bid on this car because of the Raby engine IMHO. If it didn't have his engine in it, I bet you it wouldn't have exceeded $25K in light of the accident on the Carfax report. People that say Carfax doesn't have a big impact on car sales are crazy. It does!
In hindsight, you should have posted an official document from Carfax confirming the seller's statement that it was because of a broken windshield. Porsche buyers are the biggest bunch of tire kickers in the world. They are very apprehensive about claims not backed up by evidence. If it had been me, I would have contacted Carfax for documented proof. I've personally done it before on a car that I owned. I questioned an accident that showed up on my car, because wasn't very clear and I thought it would hurt my chances of getting top dollar for it when I traded it in. The Carfax representative was very kind and said it would take a week or more because they (i.e. Carfax) needed to contact the police department for copies of the police report. After a week, the Carfax representative emailed me scanned documentation of the report and everything lined up correctly. Sadly for me of course.
Therefore, it was just a simple damaged windshield, then having the police report and/or insurance report would have helped those buyers that were riding the fence on bidding on this auction. With that report, I bet you this car would have greatly exceeded $40,000. I wouldn't throw rocks at BAT, Flat 6 Innovations did a good job explaining the details of the work that went into the engine.
I agree with others, beautiful car that has a beast of an engine... someone got a slamming good deal.
Here are my thoughts...
As I mentioned on the other thread you started in the 996 forum, people paid $35K for the Raby engine and got the 997 as a bonus. I'm not trying to add insult to injury, but aside from the engine, your '05 base Carrera is still looked upon as the worst of the 997 bunch. Things didn't really look positive for the 997 Carreras until the 9A1 engine was implemented. The '05 Carreras have the same market stigma as the 996.2 single row IMS bearing cars.
That brings me back to my original point, people bid on this car because of the Raby engine IMHO. If it didn't have his engine in it, I bet you it wouldn't have exceeded $25K in light of the accident on the Carfax report. People that say Carfax doesn't have a big impact on car sales are crazy. It does!
In hindsight, you should have posted an official document from Carfax confirming the seller's statement that it was because of a broken windshield. Porsche buyers are the biggest bunch of tire kickers in the world. They are very apprehensive about claims not backed up by evidence. If it had been me, I would have contacted Carfax for documented proof. I've personally done it before on a car that I owned. I questioned an accident that showed up on my car, because wasn't very clear and I thought it would hurt my chances of getting top dollar for it when I traded it in. The Carfax representative was very kind and said it would take a week or more because they (i.e. Carfax) needed to contact the police department for copies of the police report. After a week, the Carfax representative emailed me scanned documentation of the report and everything lined up correctly. Sadly for me of course.
Therefore, it was just a simple damaged windshield, then having the police report and/or insurance report would have helped those buyers that were riding the fence on bidding on this auction. With that report, I bet you this car would have greatly exceeded $40,000. I wouldn't throw rocks at BAT, Flat 6 Innovations did a good job explaining the details of the work that went into the engine.
I agree with others, beautiful car that has a beast of an engine... someone got a slamming good deal.
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Just some feedback because I'll assume most have not sold on BAT. I was hands off because I hired a company to sell it and its better in my experience to stay detached. Even using a company that regularly sells on BAT it took about a month for them to work with BAT and get the car online. We submitted a lot detailed records on maintenance and invoices but BAT would not include them. For instance the invoice they posted was only the base FSI invoice but they would not show the second invoice that had 8k in extras. It was frustrating because I felt there was more value that was not represented and would have justified a sale closer to 40k. It seemed to me that BAT wanted this auction to be all about the FSI motor and nothing else. The new owner may find out that it was a better value than he/she bid on and I'm happy to have the car go to a new owner since shipping it to Grand Bahama makes no sense and I won't keep it parked for 10 months a year. Thanks to all who added value with their comments and I hope you enjoyed the auction.
Thanks again JW
Thanks again JW
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Only??
This is rear wheel HP and TQ.
This is also the mildest engine I build.. It is my entry level performance engine, and is designed to have all stock ECU tune compatibility. Its optimized for 100% stock intake, and exhaust as well..
That said, it still made 40HP more than stock at peak for a 3.6L base engine. 293 at the rear wheels equates to 360 flywheel HP in one of my engine dyno test cells.
The stock 3.6 engine that this Stage 1 engine was based from makes 321HP as rated by the factory, we increased that by 40HP at peak, and by as much as 20 whopping percent under the curve. The Stage 1 engine does not see port work, increased CR, or camshaft timing alterations. This is also with retention of the stock 3.6L upper intake plenums, and intake manifold.
The stock 3.8 Carrera S engine, equipped with the much larger 3.8L intake manifold is rated at 355HP at the flywheel, and will usually make 290 rear wheel HP on our chassis dyno.
Basically by taking the stock 3.6L engine, increasing displacement to 3.8L, and adding my Stage I enhancements we made the same HP as the stock 3.8 Carrera S, but produced a tremendous amount more torque, while creating a failure resistant engine with all modes of failure addressed.
There’s no “only” in that equation~
This is rear wheel HP and TQ.
This is also the mildest engine I build.. It is my entry level performance engine, and is designed to have all stock ECU tune compatibility. Its optimized for 100% stock intake, and exhaust as well..
That said, it still made 40HP more than stock at peak for a 3.6L base engine. 293 at the rear wheels equates to 360 flywheel HP in one of my engine dyno test cells.
The stock 3.6 engine that this Stage 1 engine was based from makes 321HP as rated by the factory, we increased that by 40HP at peak, and by as much as 20 whopping percent under the curve. The Stage 1 engine does not see port work, increased CR, or camshaft timing alterations. This is also with retention of the stock 3.6L upper intake plenums, and intake manifold.
The stock 3.8 Carrera S engine, equipped with the much larger 3.8L intake manifold is rated at 355HP at the flywheel, and will usually make 290 rear wheel HP on our chassis dyno.
Basically by taking the stock 3.6L engine, increasing displacement to 3.8L, and adding my Stage I enhancements we made the same HP as the stock 3.8 Carrera S, but produced a tremendous amount more torque, while creating a failure resistant engine with all modes of failure addressed.
There’s no “only” in that equation~
Three Wheelin'
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Only??
This is rear wheel HP and TQ.
This is also the mildest engine I build.. It is my entry level performance engine, and is designed to have all stock ECU tune compatibility. Its optimized for 100% stock intake, and exhaust as well..
That said, it still made 40HP more than stock at peak for a 3.6L base engine. 293 at the rear wheels equates to 360 flywheel HP in one of my engine dyno test cells.
The stock 3.6 engine that this Stage 1 engine was based from makes 321HP as rated by the factory, we increased that by 40HP at peak, and by as much as 20 whopping percent under the curve. The Stage 1 engine does not see port work, increased CR, or camshaft timing alterations. This is also with retention of the stock 3.6L upper intake plenums, and intake manifold.
The stock 3.8 Carrera S engine, equipped with the much larger 3.8L intake manifold is rated at 355HP at the flywheel, and will usually make 290 rear wheel HP on our chassis dyno.
Basically by taking the stock 3.6L engine, increasing displacement to 3.8L, and adding my Stage I enhancements we made the same HP as the stock 3.8 Carrera S, but produced a tremendous amount more torque, while creating a failure resistant engine with all modes of failure addressed.
There’s no “only” in that equation~
This is rear wheel HP and TQ.
This is also the mildest engine I build.. It is my entry level performance engine, and is designed to have all stock ECU tune compatibility. Its optimized for 100% stock intake, and exhaust as well..
That said, it still made 40HP more than stock at peak for a 3.6L base engine. 293 at the rear wheels equates to 360 flywheel HP in one of my engine dyno test cells.
The stock 3.6 engine that this Stage 1 engine was based from makes 321HP as rated by the factory, we increased that by 40HP at peak, and by as much as 20 whopping percent under the curve. The Stage 1 engine does not see port work, increased CR, or camshaft timing alterations. This is also with retention of the stock 3.6L upper intake plenums, and intake manifold.
The stock 3.8 Carrera S engine, equipped with the much larger 3.8L intake manifold is rated at 355HP at the flywheel, and will usually make 290 rear wheel HP on our chassis dyno.
Basically by taking the stock 3.6L engine, increasing displacement to 3.8L, and adding my Stage I enhancements we made the same HP as the stock 3.8 Carrera S, but produced a tremendous amount more torque, while creating a failure resistant engine with all modes of failure addressed.
There’s no “only” in that equation~
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Racer
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Only??
This is rear wheel HP and TQ.
This is also the mildest engine I build.. It is my entry level performance engine, and is designed to have all stock ECU tune compatibility. Its optimized for 100% stock intake, and exhaust as well..
That said, it still made 40HP more than stock at peak for a 3.6L base engine. 293 at the rear wheels equates to 360 flywheel HP in one of my engine dyno test cells.
The stock 3.6 engine that this Stage 1 engine was based from makes 321HP as rated by the factory, we increased that by 40HP at peak, and by as much as 20 whopping percent under the curve. The Stage 1 engine does not see port work, increased CR, or camshaft timing alterations. This is also with retention of the stock 3.6L upper intake plenums, and intake manifold.
The stock 3.8 Carrera S engine, equipped with the much larger 3.8L intake manifold is rated at 355HP at the flywheel, and will usually make 290 rear wheel HP on our chassis dyno.
Basically by taking the stock 3.6L engine, increasing displacement to 3.8L, and adding my Stage I enhancements we made the same HP as the stock 3.8 Carrera S, but produced a tremendous amount more torque, while creating a failure resistant engine with all modes of failure addressed.
There’s no “only” in that equation~
This is rear wheel HP and TQ.
This is also the mildest engine I build.. It is my entry level performance engine, and is designed to have all stock ECU tune compatibility. Its optimized for 100% stock intake, and exhaust as well..
That said, it still made 40HP more than stock at peak for a 3.6L base engine. 293 at the rear wheels equates to 360 flywheel HP in one of my engine dyno test cells.
The stock 3.6 engine that this Stage 1 engine was based from makes 321HP as rated by the factory, we increased that by 40HP at peak, and by as much as 20 whopping percent under the curve. The Stage 1 engine does not see port work, increased CR, or camshaft timing alterations. This is also with retention of the stock 3.6L upper intake plenums, and intake manifold.
The stock 3.8 Carrera S engine, equipped with the much larger 3.8L intake manifold is rated at 355HP at the flywheel, and will usually make 290 rear wheel HP on our chassis dyno.
Basically by taking the stock 3.6L engine, increasing displacement to 3.8L, and adding my Stage I enhancements we made the same HP as the stock 3.8 Carrera S, but produced a tremendous amount more torque, while creating a failure resistant engine with all modes of failure addressed.
There’s no “only” in that equation~
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