odurandina

after driving a brand new yellow Stingray (with 180 original miles on it at pickup) for a few days here from Orlando to Daytona, and down the Space Coast to Ft. Lauderdale, I'm happy to report; I loved it.

but I think i'll like my v8 968 slightly more (w/ 40~50 extra ponies from LS7 block), and after the suspension is sorted, despite all the cool gadgetry and spectacular overall layout of the Vette.

this thing rides big.... well, it is big. the front is just sooo damn wide. I can hardly see over the fenders... I like the view of the road from the cockpit of my 968 a lot better. imo, the Vette is more a compact musclecar than a sports car. sure feels like it.

mid-range power is very good, and the top end is great. still, I think the Camaro should feel about like this.... and the post-modern Vette weigh in a couple/few hundred pounds less. then this car would be it. the rear visibility is horrid, but it's a minor inconvenience when weighed against everything else.

i realize with all the modern safety features, it takes a lot of $$$$ to build a light supercar. still, it makes for a pretty spectacular daily driver. for me, it's about the biggest and heaviest thing I ever want to drive; a muscle car that handles like a supercar. yes, I want one.

my 0.02 on the new Vette.

od.


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cdk4219

You will certainly get your *** handed to you in a stoplight race with a manual turbo car. Not too much happens until after 15 to 20 mph.

Dock

No I won't; I don't race.

First gear in a 996 Turbo has an overall gear ratio of 13.14, and under WOT acceleration produces the highest longitudinal g of all the six gears. In stock form a 996 Turbo is capable of a 0-60 time of 3.9 sec.. It can't achieve that with a lethargic 1st gear.

cdk4219

The only way to achieve these 0 to 60 times is to abuse the car by side stepping the clutch at above 4000 rpm. The 996 I have is one of the slowest cars I own, especially below 15 or 20 mph, unless you literally beat the sh$& out if it. Longitudinal gravitivity, polarity and solar flares all inclusive.

Dock

When my Turbo was stock, people would be astounded at its 1st gear acceleration, and I never did side stepped clutch/high RPM launches. Of course people who ride with me now that the car is tuned are even more impressed with 1st gear acceleration; I've heard the phrase "eyeball flatting" used to describe the acceleration.

cdk4219

. Whatever, I'm sure in your world, with your people it may be eyeball flattening, in mine it's not. I really believe that some of you may have strange relationships with these cars.

Dock

What in the world does that mean??

Melb-Mike

As to 996TT acceleration, mine is exceptional due to AWD off the line, if that us even important. I don't do stoplight racing, I do my racing on a track with my Caterham Super 7. I treat my 996 with TLC but I will open it up on an open interstate or similar road. Why risk wrecking the car or injuring people?

New Corvette, as do other previous Vettes seem big and feel heavy but are actually lighter than a 997TT by about 200 lbs. my 996Tt feels smaller & lighter than my 07 Z06 but it actually weighs more. I've never compared 0-60 times but the Z06 will hit 60 in about 3.7 seconds but it might take 10 tries before nailing the perfect launch. 996TT might be easier to launch at the first attempt due to AWD. That being said, it really doesn't matter to me. The Caterham will beat either car easily but ride quality sucks.

Braking in the Z06 is much better than 996TT, much much better, no comparison. Gas mileage in the Z06 is also better with 27 mpg @ 80 mph, 22.7 best on the 996TT @ 76 mph. That surprised me but Z runs at 1750 rpm in 6th, 996TT runs another 1000 rpm

petonic

I disagree. I think that you can catch the RPM just right and launch these things pretty quickly. Quickly enough to definitively beat a Tesla Model S (rated 4.2s in 0-60) anyway. With the Tesla, there's no shifting, so for them, it's all about just stomping on the throttle.

Admittedly, it was one of my smoothest launches, and shifts from 1-2, but it can be done. On launch, I start easing the clutch out from 1200-1500 RPM.

The spring helper removal mod on the clutch pedal helps, too, I believe. I've got an '04 TT x50 (bone stock).

darth g-f

On my flashed X50 and wastegate kit, full throttle in 1st results in bumping against the rev limiter. It goes so quickly it's screaming for a longer gear. Of course slowly engaging the clutch from idle is not gonna do it, it needs just a touch of revs and off she goes.

cdk4219

You know what it means, I can't really elaborate, because the post gets deleted, kind of like living in China or Russia.

z06801

On the roadcourse stock vs. stock equal tires, even a C5 z06 smokes a 996tt, that said I have never thought of the mordern corvette as anything but only a race car doner( even though it is fun and practical on the street, so not entirely fair but it's the reason I bought one) The 996tt I have I will always keep, love it, they are just for different purposes. How fast my C5z06 is now with the track build has keep me from both a Porsche cup and a 2011 GT3 RS

Melb-Mike

As to pure track speed, I can't agree with you more. My C6Z06 lapped GT3's at Roebling with ease, and 996TT's weren't even in the ball game. A Porsche club from Tennessee came over for the day with some of the nicest and most expensive toter homes, double stacker trailers and nothing less than 996TT's with some full race cup cars. My buddy and I went over to talk to them but since they knew we were both driving Vettes never gave us the time of day. I have always been in awe of Porsche cars so to me this was like Disney World coming to town. Granted my buddy and I have a lot of track experience running Sebring, Daytona, Homestead, PBIR and Barber to name just a few but these guys weren't exactly green either.

Areas where the Porsche shines above the Vette;

Seats, way way better and more comfortable, hence the reason I raced with Sparco EVO II race seats.

Interior finishing, no comparison, Vette feels like Chevy

Body Paint, getting a lot better on the Vette but Porsche still sets the bench mark

Prestige, again the status of the Porsche is regarded as a better product even if it's more perception than fact

For me, I love both of them and want to keep both as evidenced by the fact I have 3 Vettes and 2 Porsches. They satisfy different needs and likes immensely.

Dock

I actually can not read your mind, but based on your posts the only possible thing I can think of is the standard "Vette vs Porsche" slant that can be prevalent over on the Vette forums. There are several variations on this slant, but generally it goes something like this..."Porsche owners buy for the badge/prestige/to flash their money around/etc. Why would anyone buy a car that is slower/can get beat in a stoplight to stoplight race/beat on a road course/beat at the drag strip, that cost $XXXXX more than the superior Vette??" This slant most times goes along with "Porsche owners buy for image".

If this is not the general area you're coming from, then I have absolutely no idea what you are attempting to imply.

Dock

How was each car configured (tires/suspension), and how much track experience did each drive have relative to the other drivers?

What's the horsepower/torque difference stock to stock between a C6Z06 and a 996 Turbo?