Coolant Line Failures- NHTSA
#196
Three Wheelin'
I went to website safercar.gov per the guidance of Stephan McHenry and looked up Porsche GT3 2004 and found 20 complaints. Looked up 2005 and got 2 complaints. I tried to look by the case number PE13004, but did not find anything useful -- probably user error.
Maybe I looked up the information incorrectly which is possible. Please provide the information/link on how you know the correct number so I will know in the future.
Maybe I looked up the information incorrectly which is possible. Please provide the information/link on how you know the correct number so I will know in the future.
#197
Rennlist Member
I went to website safercar.gov per the guidance of Stephan McHenry and looked up Porsche GT3 2004 and found 20 complaints. Looked up 2005 and got 2 complaints. I tried to look by the case number PE13004, but did not find anything useful -- probably user error.
Maybe I looked up the information incorrectly which is possible. Please provide the information/link on how you know the correct number so I will know in the future.
Maybe I looked up the information incorrectly which is possible. Please provide the information/link on how you know the correct number so I will know in the future.
Peter
#198
It's also important to remember that the site only shows the number of vehicles that have reported the issue. The number of these vehicles that have had the issues that have just not recorded is likely far higher than reported.
#200
Race Car
Thread Starter
If PCA made an announcement through their Locals the response could be huge.. No updates- only what is on NHTSA stie. Stephen could not give me any other information
#201
Hi,
I am with a law firm that is looking into reports of catastrophic coolant leakage in Porsche 911s, similar to what you have been discussing. If you have experienced this issue or are interested in the investigation, please feel free to email me at emo@girardgibbs.com, or give me a call at (866) 981-4800. You can also visit our website http://www.girardgibbs.com/porsche91...investigation/.
Thanks,
Ellen
I am with a law firm that is looking into reports of catastrophic coolant leakage in Porsche 911s, similar to what you have been discussing. If you have experienced this issue or are interested in the investigation, please feel free to email me at emo@girardgibbs.com, or give me a call at (866) 981-4800. You can also visit our website http://www.girardgibbs.com/porsche91...investigation/.
Thanks,
Ellen
#203
Race Car
Thread Starter
k guys- here is my update. First of all-The flame I put to this entire investigation was selfish motivated. I could not with a clear conscience go back on track knowing of the coolant line fitting that could endanger myself & others. After I did the repair I was worried about wrecking from a negligent owners on-track that knew about the problem but pretended it would not happen to them. I thought I might force PCA to take a position and have PNA step up and fix their cheap -out glued fitting situation. I'm sure we are costing them a fortune in bad publicity and legal , administrative costs. However. That does not mean they are going to fix anything. Now a legal firm has jumped in - hoping to let NHTSA & PNA do the fight and then start some suit. The biggest problem is the statute of limitations. Depending on the state, claims of this nature have to be brought within four to six years I am told by my legal source. Usually from the date of the transaction. As a result these claims are going to be barred. The other option is to bring claims based on the failure but it does not help people who have these cars which may need to be repaired, ie pinned or welded, but have not failed yet.
In the IMS case- if someone did the repair in anticipation of a failure that claim would not be covered- same here.
Also the IMS case involved 56,000 cars with less than a 20% failure rate. I'm told even if the failure rate is higher on the fittings only 10,000 cars were effected. Some under warranty have been re glued.- Not a great legal case . Perhaps if all the PCA regions had united it would have been enough pressure to effect change but I did only what I could. And in the IMS settlement there were different level of reimbursement. ( original owner, CPO, extended warranty, second owner etc.) My hopes for reimbursement have been deflated by my legal source. I think I just do like Mooty and give them the finger. We'll see.
In the IMS case- if someone did the repair in anticipation of a failure that claim would not be covered- same here.
Also the IMS case involved 56,000 cars with less than a 20% failure rate. I'm told even if the failure rate is higher on the fittings only 10,000 cars were effected. Some under warranty have been re glued.- Not a great legal case . Perhaps if all the PCA regions had united it would have been enough pressure to effect change but I did only what I could. And in the IMS settlement there were different level of reimbursement. ( original owner, CPO, extended warranty, second owner etc.) My hopes for reimbursement have been deflated by my legal source. I think I just do like Mooty and give them the finger. We'll see.
#204
Rennlist Member
I had a top fitting pop loose at the end of the straight in the last run of the day at Miller Motorsports September 21, 2013. Mostly water on the track and I ended up losing about half of the 28 liters. No drama for me or those behind me. I got the fitting JD Welded to get back to NM from Utah (adding distilled water 3 times before I felt comfortable leaving Salt Lake City to NM). I missed one full day of the PCA event, but I had a fabulous time with all of the gt3's and RS's the two days I got to run.
Mine went in to have all of the fittings reglued and pinned yesterday. I have made a complaint and I will update it with the cost to repair when the pinning is complete. My car had approximately 28k miles when this occurred.
Mine went in to have all of the fittings reglued and pinned yesterday. I have made a complaint and I will update it with the cost to repair when the pinning is complete. My car had approximately 28k miles when this occurred.
#206
Rennlist Member
I decided on glued and pinned (bolted).
I think the welds could end up being problematic in that eventually they will fail at the weak points of the weld, or at pin holes that result in the welds.
An Porsche of course just recommends the latest glue only, that will end up failing again.
I think the welds could end up being problematic in that eventually they will fail at the weak points of the weld, or at pin holes that result in the welds.
An Porsche of course just recommends the latest glue only, that will end up failing again.
#208
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#209
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Thread Starter
I just saw this- I'm not up to speed
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...009-57948P.pdf
Oh well. Can't fight city hall. I still feel there is a safety issue. I guess I'm not suppose to worry about it. i guess other things to worry about. Drive Safe
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...009-57948P.pdf
Oh well. Can't fight city hall. I still feel there is a safety issue. I guess I'm not suppose to worry about it. i guess other things to worry about. Drive Safe
Last edited by Gofishracing; 11-07-2013 at 05:41 PM.