Notices
996 GT2/GT3 Forum 1999-2005
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Coolant Line Failures- NHTSA

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-16-2013, 09:35 PM
  #196  
rodneyr
Three Wheelin'
 
rodneyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Darien, CT
Posts: 1,257
Received 155 Likes on 106 Posts
Default

I went to website safercar.gov per the guidance of Stephan McHenry and looked up Porsche GT3 2004 and found 20 complaints. Looked up 2005 and got 2 complaints. I tried to look by the case number PE13004, but did not find anything useful -- probably user error.

Maybe I looked up the information incorrectly which is possible. Please provide the information/link on how you know the correct number so I will know in the future.
Old 08-17-2013, 10:37 AM
  #197  
85Gold
Rennlist Member
 
85Gold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: 92 miles from Sebring
Posts: 4,957
Received 709 Likes on 414 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rodneyr
I went to website safercar.gov per the guidance of Stephan McHenry and looked up Porsche GT3 2004 and found 20 complaints. Looked up 2005 and got 2 complaints. I tried to look by the case number PE13004, but did not find anything useful -- probably user error.

Maybe I looked up the information incorrectly which is possible. Please provide the information/link on how you know the correct number so I will know in the future.
996 turbos, 997.1 Turbos and 997.1 GT3 are also affected by the ingestion.

Peter
Old 08-17-2013, 03:45 PM
  #198  
Burger
Rennlist Member
 
Burger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 511
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

It's also important to remember that the site only shows the number of vehicles that have reported the issue. The number of these vehicles that have had the issues that have just not recorded is likely far higher than reported.
Old 09-18-2013, 02:13 AM
  #199  
ILLCOMM
Racer
 
ILLCOMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Any updates?
Old 09-18-2013, 08:56 AM
  #200  
Gofishracing
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Gofishracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,935
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

If PCA made an announcement through their Locals the response could be huge.. No updates- only what is on NHTSA stie. Stephen could not give me any other information
Old 09-23-2013, 07:41 PM
  #201  
EllenGirardGibbs
6th Gear
 
EllenGirardGibbs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Hi,

I am with a law firm that is looking into reports of catastrophic coolant leakage in Porsche 911s, similar to what you have been discussing. If you have experienced this issue or are interested in the investigation, please feel free to email me at emo@girardgibbs.com, or give me a call at (866) 981-4800. You can also visit our website http://www.girardgibbs.com/porsche91...investigation/.

Thanks,
Ellen
Old 09-23-2013, 09:21 PM
  #202  
Gofishracing
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Gofishracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,935
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

nice, NHTSA may eventually force them but this is worth the call . Thanks
Old 09-26-2013, 03:27 PM
  #203  
Gofishracing
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Gofishracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,935
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

k guys- here is my update. First of all-The flame I put to this entire investigation was selfish motivated. I could not with a clear conscience go back on track knowing of the coolant line fitting that could endanger myself & others. After I did the repair I was worried about wrecking from a negligent owners on-track that knew about the problem but pretended it would not happen to them. I thought I might force PCA to take a position and have PNA step up and fix their cheap -out glued fitting situation. I'm sure we are costing them a fortune in bad publicity and legal , administrative costs. However. That does not mean they are going to fix anything. Now a legal firm has jumped in - hoping to let NHTSA & PNA do the fight and then start some suit. The biggest problem is the statute of limitations. Depending on the state, claims of this nature have to be brought within four to six years I am told by my legal source. Usually from the date of the transaction. As a result these claims are going to be barred. The other option is to bring claims based on the failure but it does not help people who have these cars which may need to be repaired, ie pinned or welded, but have not failed yet.
In the IMS case- if someone did the repair in anticipation of a failure that claim would not be covered- same here.
Also the IMS case involved 56,000 cars with less than a 20% failure rate. I'm told even if the failure rate is higher on the fittings only 10,000 cars were effected. Some under warranty have been re glued.- Not a great legal case . Perhaps if all the PCA regions had united it would have been enough pressure to effect change but I did only what I could. And in the IMS settlement there were different level of reimbursement. ( original owner, CPO, extended warranty, second owner etc.) My hopes for reimbursement have been deflated by my legal source. I think I just do like Mooty and give them the finger. We'll see.
Old 10-09-2013, 05:23 PM
  #204  
pranqster
Rennlist Member
 
pranqster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 562
Received 44 Likes on 31 Posts
Default

I had a top fitting pop loose at the end of the straight in the last run of the day at Miller Motorsports September 21, 2013. Mostly water on the track and I ended up losing about half of the 28 liters. No drama for me or those behind me. I got the fitting JD Welded to get back to NM from Utah (adding distilled water 3 times before I felt comfortable leaving Salt Lake City to NM). I missed one full day of the PCA event, but I had a fabulous time with all of the gt3's and RS's the two days I got to run.

Mine went in to have all of the fittings reglued and pinned yesterday. I have made a complaint and I will update it with the cost to repair when the pinning is complete. My car had approximately 28k miles when this occurred.
Old 10-09-2013, 05:55 PM
  #205  
Gofishracing
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Gofishracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,935
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

reglued and pinned? Just have them welded.
Old 10-11-2013, 04:00 PM
  #206  
pranqster
Rennlist Member
 
pranqster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 562
Received 44 Likes on 31 Posts
Default

I decided on glued and pinned (bolted).

I think the welds could end up being problematic in that eventually they will fail at the weak points of the weld, or at pin holes that result in the welds.

An Porsche of course just recommends the latest glue only, that will end up failing again.
Old 11-06-2013, 10:23 AM
  #207  
0396
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
0396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 403
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

It's been awhile, does anyone know of any updates or did PCNA pay there way out of this?
Old 11-06-2013, 06:01 PM
  #208  
Gofishracing
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Gofishracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,935
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

pa·tience noun \ˈpā-shən(t)s\
CloseStyle: MLA APA ChicagoDefinition of PATIENCE
1: the capacity, habit, or fact of being patient(see 1patient)
2chiefly British : solitaire 2
See patience defined for English-language learners »
See patience defined for kids »
Examples of PATIENCE
I don't have the patience to wait in line for hours just to buy a ticket.
Investors need to have patience. The economy will improve soon.
She treated her students with great patience and humor.
I don't have the patience to do crossword puzzles.
Old 11-06-2013, 06:03 PM
  #209  
Gofishracing
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Gofishracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,935
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

I just saw this- I'm not up to speed
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...009-57948P.pdf


Oh well. Can't fight city hall. I still feel there is a safety issue. I guess I'm not suppose to worry about it. i guess other things to worry about. Drive Safe

Last edited by Gofishracing; 11-07-2013 at 05:41 PM.
Old 11-06-2013, 09:25 PM
  #210  
cello
Three Wheelin'
 
cello's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern NJ & Coast
Posts: 1,880
Received 30 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

That was an interesting read.

Many thanks for your work and follow up!

Best, CJ


Quick Reply: Coolant Line Failures- NHTSA



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 07:08 AM.