E. J. - 993 Alumni

Really, did you use a real identity back then? Care to point me to them? Not calling you a liar on anything other than your points in this thread. But like I said, I don't know your 817 other posts (or at least I don't remember them).

1999Porsche911

I said the clutch will last 100,000 miles. And I like the way you bailed out by using the subjective word "safe".

And it's funny about the shocks since many are warranteed for 100,000 mile, including MONROE. Some are even for 200,000 miles on commercial vehicle.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Naw,....I don't think E.J. thinks you are lying,...I think he and others' experience on these issues are VERY different from yours.

Although one can get amazing clutch life (100K+) with excellent driving habits and relatively gentle use of the brakes can yield pad life such as you have experienced, I've never, ever seen any OEM Monroe, Boge, or Sachs shocks last beyond 30K miles in the last 30+ years. Bilsteins of course, last far far longer and are standard on the GT-3.

I do have a shock dyno and I'll confirm that these OEM shocks exhibit extreme wear at 30K. If your 996 has over 60K on it, you'd be amazed at the difference and improvement in handling with the installation of new shocks, (Monroes or Bilsteins)....

Greg Fishman

Steve,
I didn't need a shock dyno to know that my 15k mile monore shocks were worn out. When I removed them I could push the shaft of the shock into itself with little effort. 100k miles, that is a joke!

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Hi Greg:

We use the shock dyno to set up and check out the Moton & JRZ shocks we use and I started checking these OEM shocks several years ago when we began experiencing premature failures on 964's and 993's.
Needless to say, it was disconcerting to see that Porsche's spec on their OEM shocks is so poor that they do not last any longer than domestic OEM shocks (which is abysmal).

1999Porsche911

I am not saying that the shocks do not wear in less than 100,000 miles. For non track driving, the amount of wear does not effect the car's performance or safety.. You could test the brake pads after 5,000 miles and see that they are worn, but you wouldn't replace them. By that standard, you should replace your rear tires every 3,000 miles.


As far as the clutch, if you do a search, you will see many 996 owners either close to or above 100,000 miles on original clutch.

1999Porsche911

Then I suggest you buy the Bilstein shocks since they have a LIFETIME warranty....even though that is not possible.

Greg Fishman

That is exactly what I did. But I don't think the Bilsteins would last 100k miles either without a rebuild (if that is possible on the HD's)

E. J. - 993 Alumni

Steve - Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

We don't want the noobies to know they're going to need new shocks in 30k miles. LOL!

Long time no speak buddy. I hope business is good.

E. J. - 993 Alumni

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

LOL,..Sorry sir. I suppose I ought to let cars leave here in an unsafe condition.

Indeed, its been FAR too long. Holler at me sometime, eh? We're slammed,.......(no complaints).


Greg:

I can have Bilstein HD's rebuilt and revalved to spec, when required,....

TT Gasman

The stock 996 dampers are Bilsteins, hopefully they will last a lot longer than those crappy Monroes. Steve, can oem Bilsteins (M030) be rebuilt/revalved?

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Hi Doug:

From what I've seen; some 996's came with Monroes and some came with Bilsteins. Go figure.

I do not know if Bilstein will revalve/rebuild the OEM shocks. In the past, they have declined to do this and only offering the service to aftermarket and race shocks. I'll find out for sure.

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LOL,....Boy, has this thread ever fallen off the tracks,...

Randall G.

Speaking of which, a classic, to be lived over and over again:

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...5&page=1&pp=15

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...5&page=3&pp=15

Though, I'm not entirely sure it's funnier than lifetime shocks and 50k front pads. I can just imagine 1999Porsche911/JustAnotherPorsches' car--wallows like a fat pig and brakes like the Titanic.

Greg Fishman

Steve,
Well let's just get it back on track then... Do you think a GT3 Engine would work in my 993? Where would I mount the radiator or the coolant holding tank?