J Berk

The comments about the 996 not being appropriate for the track (at least for hpde use) don't make sense to me.

I am by no means an authority having only owned my c4s for just under a year.... But I can recall dozens of 996 owners avidly tracking their cars over the years with nnjr pca.

My s2 and all 944's also have some starvation issues re: oil... But those are everywhere at the track..... Yep... The more serious drivers have an accusump.... But most don't.

My guess is that a well taken care of and prepared stock 996 is just fine for occasional DE weekends.

David993S

Tarett Engineering sells a deep sump kit and baffle. I use it in my 996 track car.

http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...rical/list.htm

garrett376

Given the hysteria concerning with just driving a 996, it's easy to see the concern with driving it on a race track! Reading this forum makes you wonder why anyone ever buys one... much less takes it to the track.

Ernie J

1.2 l DEEP SUMP You lose 3/8" of clearance. Yes we know a lot about Aero after 4 years of tunnel time. No, we did not windtunnel the sump, did on shaker post, DFI , is the 997.2 engine 2009 and later.

ejdoherty911

"The M96 NA was not intended for nor ever will be good for track use. The inherent flaws of the original design prevent this." (bold added by me)

For those of you new to the 996 world, the statement above is 100% patently false. ANY M96 drivetrain can be properly prepared for track use for under $10k. You will be able to drive it all day long at any speed at any g force. People do it every single day. I know of an engine builder who put a M96 engine in a late 80s 911 and kicked the HP up to 1000 !! at the wheels. Yes, M96 engine, 1000 hp at the wheels and it runs all day long.

Can you drive a 996 out of the showroom and win the Porsche Mobile 1 Supercup, no you can't. I'll give KrazyK the benefit of the doubt and assume that is what KrazyK means by "track use."


Here's a link to a 2002 doing just fine on the track. Over .8 gs and over 100 mph. IT'S A MIRACLE !!

KrazyK

I suppose with enough money any car could be modded enough for track use. Experts and myself included believe that the M96 NA engine was not designed by Porsche for track use. That's why they built GT3's and GT2's.

The design flaws certainly back this up. Only a misguided nutjob would take his stock M96 and run it on a race track. I doubt the engine would make it past turn one.

And BTW, a 1984 Corvette would pull a full G without $10,000 in mods.

garrett376

Do you have a 996 race car? If all you do is read the internet forums I can understand where you get your point of view.

ejdoherty911

There's not really any argument here because proof exists. I own a 2002 Porsche 996 that has been driven fast on a race track (Pocono Speedway). I drove it there, drove around the race track, bone stock, and I'm driving it today with 118,000 miles on it. Never had a problem with any aspect of the car. That one example alone proves you can drive a 996 on a track. I mean, let's get real here, my car has a top speed of around 170 mph. You don't think it can handle 110 mph on a track??? Add to that the hundreds if not thousands of other posts and videos of 996 owners posting about their track day experiences. I like corvettes, best bang for the buck, but guess what you have to upgrade the oil and cooling systems too.

A 1984 Corvette would NEVER survive hot laps around Pocono Speedway without both oil system and cooling system upgrades, that's a fact. All them from C1 - C4 require upgrades to be used on a track (fast laps). C5 on fair better, but with the high banks on Pocono Raceway even C6 Corvettes require some mods, IF the driver wants to approach top speed on that car. If you keep it under a 110 mph then no upgrades are required.

You say "I doubt the engine would make it past turn one." Well you're wrong. Mine did. The one in the video I posted clearly made it past turn one, and all the turns for the next 20 minutes exceeding .8gs on occasion. How do you explain that?

rs10

Your 996 must have a Corvette engine ;-)

JayG

All Porsche are designed for hard driving and that includes tracking them

LOL At least you did not include yourself as an "Expert"
You are afraid to drive your car around the block without a complete engine rebuild

I just did a track weekend 2 weeks ago and there were at least 10 996 from stock to full race car and as many 986 as well. I am not including the 12-15 GT3's. None had any issues on the track.

KK, please stop talking out your rectum

If you want to comment on changing oil or rebuilding stuff, well yes, you have a lot of experience. As far as other stuff, well......

alpine003

I think the important lesson here is to actually go to the tracks and asks the veterans there on what works and suggestions. The worst thing you can do is ask here on opinions of bench racers and just have it go round and round as we're seeing here.

This is the same thing as asking what the best sports cars are in the Prius forums.

Schnell Gelb

Great suggestion, but go prepared with the basic knowledge?
"What we learned on the Track"
http://986forum.com/forums/general-d...ned-track.html
Racing Section:
http://986forum.com/forums/boxster-racing-forum/

KrazyK

I hope your not serious. You could not be more wrong about this.

JayG

Yup.
Even the Macan is an awesome track animal

rs10

Well, this certainly has become interesting reading :-)

However, there are some of us who are going to drive on track, no matter what some experts say, and who are going to be a bit worried, no matter what some other experts say.

So maybe part of this discussion deserves it's own thread, like the "all 996s blow up on turn 1 / no, all 996s can do the Le Mans 24 without engine oil" thread.

Anyway, there's been a lot of helpful knowledge about what can be done to minimize risks shared in this thread. That's what I was hoping for when I started it, and it would be a shame to lose that.

Thanks!