Blackstone Oil Analysis
06-15-2016, 06:05 AM
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Thanks for your post, it's greatly appreciated but I don't know if it's because I'm French or new to the Porsche language but are you saying you think the engine is ok and these metal flakes are coming from valve springs and not the IMS bearing? Did you look at the videos and the metal debris? So let's say I install a drain plug & spin on filter adapter and drive it another 2k, what can I expect to find? Best case, worst case.
I also have a DOF direct oil injector and Since the transmission is out, would you install that? I even wonder if that DOF really works http://tunersmotorsports.com/trs-dev...rect-oil-feed/
I also have a DOF direct oil injector and Since the transmission is out, would you install that? I even wonder if that DOF really works http://tunersmotorsports.com/trs-dev...rect-oil-feed/
The Anti- wear package looks exactly like Canadian flavor M1 to me. Its text book. That said, the viscosity is too high at 100C, which can mean a few things.
The data on this one is not that bad. Yes, it is elevated some, but the values are not excruciating. Plus, you sent this to Blackstone, which never gets my vote.
I would drive 2K on a current oil service, then send the samples to ALS or Caterpillar for true data, which includes TAN and TBN values.
I would not tear anything down for values at these levels.
The data on this one is not that bad. Yes, it is elevated some, but the values are not excruciating. Plus, you sent this to Blackstone, which never gets my vote.
I would drive 2K on a current oil service, then send the samples to ALS or Caterpillar for true data, which includes TAN and TBN values.
I would not tear anything down for values at these levels.
Last edited by Mario1; 06-15-2016 at 06:51 AM.
06-15-2016, 08:07 AM
#34
Hello fellow MRer; )
go out and get this
http://lnengineering.com/products/other-watercooled-stuff/oil-change-bundle-configurable.html
that will filter ALL the oil and will catch those metal flakes.
change the oil, run it for 2-3k km and send in that sample to one of the labs Jake (Flat 6 innovations) mentioned as their data will give you more info.
post up the results then and then the pros here can discect those numbers.
go out and get this
http://lnengineering.com/products/other-watercooled-stuff/oil-change-bundle-configurable.html
that will filter ALL the oil and will catch those metal flakes.
change the oil, run it for 2-3k km and send in that sample to one of the labs Jake (Flat 6 innovations) mentioned as their data will give you more info.
post up the results then and then the pros here can discect those numbers.
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06-15-2016, 08:35 AM
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Hey buddy, how's that rebuild engine running? Have you driven the car yet?
Hello fellow MRer; )
go out and get this
http://lnengineering.com/products/ot...figurable.html
that will filter ALL the oil and will catch those metal flakes.
change the oil, run it for 2-3k km and send in that sample to one of the labs Jake (Flat 6 innovations) mentioned as their data will give you more info.
post up the results then and then the pros here can discect those numbers.
go out and get this
http://lnengineering.com/products/ot...figurable.html
that will filter ALL the oil and will catch those metal flakes.
change the oil, run it for 2-3k km and send in that sample to one of the labs Jake (Flat 6 innovations) mentioned as their data will give you more info.
post up the results then and then the pros here can discect those numbers.
06-15-2016, 10:16 AM
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DT 40 should have at least 1175 ppm Zn, and closer to 1200 at minimum. The phosphorus is also low, indicating more degradation of the anti wear package. We see this happen with mechanical wear, and I pay more attention to it than the wear metal levels.
That said, the Zn and P of these samples are closer to what we see from Canadian M1.
The viscosity at 100C is higher than normal for DT40.
Lake Speed and I will review the sample and I'll post later. No one knows what a DT40 sample should look like more than Lake.
Stand by.
06-15-2016, 10:20 AM
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^Jake, I took Mario's comment to mean he's running DT40 now. Not what was drained.
06-15-2016, 10:34 AM
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I just sent out my first round of DT40 in the engine for analysis, thought I would post it here based on Jake's input above for information.
Last edited by Paul Waterloo; 05-31-2017 at 06:50 PM.
06-15-2016, 11:20 AM
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Lexvan,
I had my head up my ***... It was too early for me, had a late night date with a 996TT engine.
Now that he's swapped oils, the next samples will be skewed completely. I recommend a short service interval, and another round of DT4 before even worrying about gathering another sample.
06-15-2016, 11:24 AM
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Now I really do t believe this is your sample... If it is, then throw away what I said previously as the anti wear package is being eaten by something internal.
DT 40 should have at least 1175 ppm Zn, and closer to 1200 at minimum. The phosphorus is also low, indicating more degradation of the anti wear package. We see this happen with mechanical wear, and I pay more attention to it than the wear metal levels.
That said, the Zn and P of these samples are closer to what we see from Canadian M1.
The viscosity at 100C is higher than normal for DT40.
Lake Speed and I will review the sample and I'll post later. No one knows what a DT40 sample should look like more than Lake.
Stand by.
DT 40 should have at least 1175 ppm Zn, and closer to 1200 at minimum. The phosphorus is also low, indicating more degradation of the anti wear package. We see this happen with mechanical wear, and I pay more attention to it than the wear metal levels.
That said, the Zn and P of these samples are closer to what we see from Canadian M1.
The viscosity at 100C is higher than normal for DT40.
Lake Speed and I will review the sample and I'll post later. No one knows what a DT40 sample should look like more than Lake.
Stand by.
CAT has a major parts depot near me and does do oil testing.
06-15-2016, 11:34 AM
#43
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Was their any copper colored hue to that oil?
Hypothetically speaking, what if you guys could buy oil, and it came with n oil sample bottle, and a free used oil analysis, with a real description of the sample, by someone that has a clue?
Stand by.
Hypothetically speaking, what if you guys could buy oil, and it came with n oil sample bottle, and a free used oil analysis, with a real description of the sample, by someone that has a clue?
Stand by.