IMS Class Action August 3rd Update. New Claim form Claims Posted
#211
Lol, I think this might be going down the wrong path if it hasn't already a couple pages ago.
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approaching and passing the 996 while it's dead on the side of the road?
Sorry that was not called for ... my apologies. Every 911 model seems to have it's issues (valve guides, steering racks, exploding rubber clutches, RMS, IMS, rust) but this one is particularly nasty because there is no warning, difficult to detect, and it's so deep in the engine as to be expensive to even do preventive work.
It will take time to see what the 991's issue will be - excessive carbonization due to direct injection? PDK issues? The DFI issue is emerging across many brands of cars, with many picking up excessive carbonization on the intakes and intake valves because of no fuel washing occurring.
Sometimes I wonder why I don't just drive something simple, simple, simple like a 356...
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Sorry that was not called for ... my apologies. Every 911 model seems to have it's issues (valve guides, steering racks, exploding rubber clutches, RMS, IMS, rust) but this one is particularly nasty because there is no warning, difficult to detect, and it's so deep in the engine as to be expensive to even do preventive work.
It will take time to see what the 991's issue will be - excessive carbonization due to direct injection? PDK issues? The DFI issue is emerging across many brands of cars, with many picking up excessive carbonization on the intakes and intake valves because of no fuel washing occurring.
Sometimes I wonder why I don't just drive something simple, simple, simple like a 356...
Cheers,
Mike
#213
Dream Carrera, I have been following this closely but missed the one page where it was posted that the single row IMS bearing was targeted. My comprehension is fine I just missed that one page. Also my comment about not being sure if the theory was correct about the bad bearings was not referring to single row vs dual row, but rather a few people that speculated that it could be due to some bearings being inferior due to the country they were made in. In fact now that I see the post about it being about all single row bearing it pretty much confirms that theory was incorrect. I am still unclear why the thousands of year 2000 cars that have the single row bearing were excluded from the lawsuit. Some 2000 cars had the dual row but many had the single just like the 2001 which has both. If a 2000 car had an earlier failure withing the 10 year period what was thier reason for excluding these from the action. Thats the part that still seems unclear.
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#214
No, I am taking a different approach and strategy, diminished loss based on Ims data in the discovery, and the failure of Porsche to issue a recall on a well known defect.
There are numerous case law judgements that will support my case.
When I start using up their legal time at $500/hr, they may settle to avoid another class action suit.
We will see if this approach might work. It is possible that another law firm may seek another class suit, now that the Genie is out of the bottle.
There are numerous case law judgements that will support my case.
When I start using up their legal time at $500/hr, they may settle to avoid another class action suit.
We will see if this approach might work. It is possible that another law firm may seek another class suit, now that the Genie is out of the bottle.
#215
Rob, are you saying the California law firm will represent us Canadians? I would like help since my IMS went under ten years from delivery and I had to pay the whole bill..... IMS went at 45,000 miles and 5 days after Porsche replaced my clutch !!!! @#%&*!!
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Dream Carrera, I have been following this closely but missed the one page where it was posted that the single row IMS bearing was targeted. My comprehension is fine I just missed that one page. Also my comment about not being sure if the theory was correct about the bad bearings was not referring to single row vs dual row, but rather a few people that speculated that it could be due to some bearings being inferior due to the country they were made in. In fact now that I see the post about it being about all single row bearing it pretty much confirms that theory was incorrect. I am still unclear why the thousands of year 2000 cars that have the single row bearing were excluded from the lawsuit. Some 2000 cars had the dual row but many had the single just like the 2001 which has both. If a 2000 car had an earlier failure withing the 10 year period what was thier reason for excluding these from the action. Thats the part that still seems unclear.
The following passage was taken directly from the lawsuit discovery pages:
"Discovery and investigation establishes that Porsche adopted a single row design for the IMS in 2001..."
Therefore, apparently you know something that this law firm does not. Perhaps you can contact them and clue them in on your info...
#217
LN Engineering offers three IMS Retrofit solutions, two of which can be done without disassembly of the engine while the engine is still in the car:
■single row IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY02-05 M96 engines including some MY00-01)
■dual row IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY97-99 M96 engines including some MY00-01)
■MY06-08 IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY06-08 M97 engines, requires engine disassembly for installation)
#218
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This is from the L&N Engineering web site. Notice the single row as well as dual row bearings are in some MY 00 and 01 cars. I tend to trust they know what they are talking about. If they are wrong then I stand corrected.
LN Engineering offers three IMS Retrofit solutions, two of which can be done without disassembly of the engine while the engine is still in the car:
■single row IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY02-05 M96 engines including some MY00-01)
■dual row IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY97-99 M96 engines including some MY00-01)
■MY06-08 IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY06-08 M97 engines, requires engine disassembly for installation)
LN Engineering offers three IMS Retrofit solutions, two of which can be done without disassembly of the engine while the engine is still in the car:
■single row IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY02-05 M96 engines including some MY00-01)
■dual row IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY97-99 M96 engines including some MY00-01)
■MY06-08 IMS Retrofit™ kit (fits MY06-08 M97 engines, requires engine disassembly for installation)
I, OTOH, would be FAR more apt to believe Porsche...after all they are the ones who actually built the cars. If any MY 2000 cars were built with single row bearings the law firm representing the class members certainly would have included certain MY 2000 owners(those with single row bearings) in the class. After all, its wise to cast your net as wide as you possibly can when preparing these class action suits.
#219
Keep in mind that some companies make reference to either European model year(sometimes delayed a year for other countries) or the manufactured date of the car. If a company wants to cover both, they might state both years to play it safe. Remember LN is marketing to a global market, hence the 1997 reference. We know 996 only came in the US as a '99 model only, while parts of Europe got this over a year earlier.
Before LN revised their site and when they had VIN references to dual and single row, I'm fairly sure only the '01 model VIN had single rows. This is before they tackled the global market.
Before LN revised their site and when they had VIN references to dual and single row, I'm fairly sure only the '01 model VIN had single rows. This is before they tackled the global market.
#220
I, OTOH, would be FAR more apt to believe Porsche...after all they are the ones who actually built the cars. If any MY 2000 cars were built with single row bearings the law firm representing the class members certainly would have included certain MY 2000 owners(those with single row bearings) in the class. After all, its wise to cast your net as wide as you possibly can when preparing these class action suits.
I would place my money on the bet that Porsche, under the scrutiny of legal discovery and the pressure of a class action lawsuit would provide VIN numbers as accurately as possible to include all potential claimants. It is in their BEST interest to do so.
Res judicata puts liability for this issue behind Porsche forever if the include all single row VINS in the settlelemt agreement. Done. Finito. Adios.
Or maybe we can put our tinfoil hats on and concoct other conspiracy theories.
#221
Yes, please keep us posted. As the owner of a 2005, diminished value, ticking time bomb, I (and others) have a vested interest in your success. I can only hope that Porsche wakes up and realizes that the cost of fixing the problem for those cars still on the road is way less than the loss of good will that is spreading throughout the sports car world. Its making an M3 look better and better . . .
You can get a huge head start with the work the class action lawsuit has already covered.
I don't know why the class action lawyers would care since their fee is fixed by the court and is unaffected by how many claims are made.
#222
Without the discovery documents this is really a 15 page fantasy thread. With the discovery documents ... it's probably still a 15 page fantasy thread. Given that about %90 of rennlist posters claim to have blown up an IMS bearing, why are the discovery documents still in hiding? Hey, I own a '99 so they aint gonna send them to me (or I would have them by now.) Incidentally, isn't the 20 day filing extension about to expire?
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Cheers,
Mike
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Without the discovery documents this is really a 15 page fantasy thread. With the discovery documents ... it's probably still a 15 page fantasy thread. Given that about %90 of rennlist posters claim to have blown up an IMS bearing, why are the discovery documents still in hiding? Hey, I own a '99 so they aint gonna send them to me (or I would have them by now.) Incidentally, isn't the 20 day filing extension about to expire?
#225
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Dual row here as well but if I owned a car with the single row bearing I would have had a request in for these discovery documents within 5 minutes of learning about the suit.
It's always mentioned in the millions of IM$ threads that the only party that really knows the extent of these failures is Porsche, and they aren't talking. Well this suit made them talk. Is anyone listening???