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03-21-2010, 01:05 AM
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03-21-2010, 01:57 AM
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Back with its former stablemate...
Hi Ed,
996 is reunited with its Italian former stablemate...except there is now a race car sharing the space as well. At least, it is a P-car.
You surely took care of this car. Well-done! I'll do the same. Who knows, we might be swapping again or doing another deal at some point.
I'll be in touch.
Mike
PS Just FYI for everybody in this thread, I sold the 996 to Ed a couple of years ago. Buying the car again, I find it very interesting how things line up at times.
996 is reunited with its Italian former stablemate...except there is now a race car sharing the space as well. At least, it is a P-car.
You surely took care of this car. Well-done! I'll do the same. Who knows, we might be swapping again or doing another deal at some point.
I'll be in touch.
Mike
PS Just FYI for everybody in this thread, I sold the 996 to Ed a couple of years ago. Buying the car again, I find it very interesting how things line up at times.
03-21-2010, 02:47 AM
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Man Mike... that is beautiful!!
Thanks a bunch, I had a great day with the new one.... really, but sure will miss the 996 - how did you like the way she drives
Thanks a bunch, I had a great day with the new one.... really, but sure will miss the 996 - how did you like the way she drives
03-21-2010, 04:19 AM
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Holy cow - this is huge news.
I was an air head for about 11 years before I switched to the 996. Two things are for certain:
1) I won't go back to air.
2) I will absolutely have another air cooled car one day.
The 3.2 litre 911 is a really really good car, but like your 996, it will need some mods to be a really really great car.
As you have noticed, there is a significant performance gap between what I assume is a stock 3.2 Carrera and your old modified 996.
If (when) I get another 911 these are the things I will do immediately:
1) remove the AC system (all of it) and the rear seat backs. These are heavy and of not much use. Keep this stuff in boxes for the next guy.
2) Replace stock torsion bars with 22/28 (F/R) bars. You can go as big as 24/30 even. Maybe some bigger sway bars, but the Torsion bars are key.
3) Install Bilstien heavy duty shocks.
4) Find some wider Fuchs. The stock 6/7 setup is bare minumim. 7/8 is good, 8/9 is great, but rare and expensive.
5) Make sure the throttle opens all the way when the pedal is to the floor. Judging by the photos of the PO garage, I wouldn't think this will be a problem, but I do know my buddy imported a Clubsport from Europe and the throttle mechanism on that car was stopping early because it was hitting a hose clamp.
6) Lose the stock exhaust with cats, and install SSI heat exchangers and an appropriate muffler. Don't worry, it will pass the smog test.
7) Replace the plastic cup at the bottom of your shift lever.
8) Check to make sure the PO installed Turbo tie rods, and if not then do so.
Doing the above bits will wake your 911 up. It may even start to feel fast, but you'll have to keep your foot planted in it deep and long to get close to the feeling you had with your 996.
If you want to call yourself a real Porsche man, then you have to pay your air cooled dues. Good on you Ed, I'm jealous.You'll be looking down your nose at us in no time!
Oh yeah....the Pelican 911 board really is excellent.v
I was an air head for about 11 years before I switched to the 996. Two things are for certain:
1) I won't go back to air.
2) I will absolutely have another air cooled car one day.
The 3.2 litre 911 is a really really good car, but like your 996, it will need some mods to be a really really great car.
As you have noticed, there is a significant performance gap between what I assume is a stock 3.2 Carrera and your old modified 996.
If (when) I get another 911 these are the things I will do immediately:
1) remove the AC system (all of it) and the rear seat backs. These are heavy and of not much use. Keep this stuff in boxes for the next guy.
2) Replace stock torsion bars with 22/28 (F/R) bars. You can go as big as 24/30 even. Maybe some bigger sway bars, but the Torsion bars are key.
3) Install Bilstien heavy duty shocks.
4) Find some wider Fuchs. The stock 6/7 setup is bare minumim. 7/8 is good, 8/9 is great, but rare and expensive.
5) Make sure the throttle opens all the way when the pedal is to the floor. Judging by the photos of the PO garage, I wouldn't think this will be a problem, but I do know my buddy imported a Clubsport from Europe and the throttle mechanism on that car was stopping early because it was hitting a hose clamp.
6) Lose the stock exhaust with cats, and install SSI heat exchangers and an appropriate muffler. Don't worry, it will pass the smog test.
7) Replace the plastic cup at the bottom of your shift lever.
8) Check to make sure the PO installed Turbo tie rods, and if not then do so.
Doing the above bits will wake your 911 up. It may even start to feel fast, but you'll have to keep your foot planted in it deep and long to get close to the feeling you had with your 996.
If you want to call yourself a real Porsche man, then you have to pay your air cooled dues. Good on you Ed, I'm jealous.You'll be looking down your nose at us in no time!
Oh yeah....the Pelican 911 board really is excellent.v
03-21-2010, 04:23 AM
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So what happens now? What next, you going to trade again and buy the ferrari this summer? Any chance this was just some early spring fever and you'll be hanging around the dealership looking at new cars soon?
I think a move like this requires more than just pictures. A good video from inside the car taking some turns would be nice. You could just have a camera running in the car after a valet driver goes to park it and I'm sure we'll get some good video
I think a move like this requires more than just pictures. A good video from inside the car taking some turns would be nice. You could just have a camera running in the car after a valet driver goes to park it and I'm sure we'll get some good video
03-21-2010, 07:38 AM
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I do...a good 99 996 will cost in the low 20's and, so will a good 86. I think the same hold strue if the cars were tatty actually. Notice I said "will cost" and not "is worth".
915 equipped 3.2 Carreras are actually quite rare. I've been looking pretty much every day at 911's for sale for the last several years. More for interests's sake than any real intent to purchase, but I've been scouring craigslist and the various classifieds specifically tracking the values for the 1977 through 1989 models. Before rthatthe cars weren't galvanized so I'm not interested.
In my searches I see:
1) A few 1977 cars, not cheap enough. $12K - 17K is typical.
2) A lot of 78-79 SC's. The prices range from $7K to $24K, with what looks like good cars available for $15K-$17K.
3) Very few 80-83 SC's - not enough to predict typical prices.
4) Very few 84-86 Carreras (the 915 cars) - not enough to predict typical prices. I've been *specifically* looking for one of these for less than $20K and I think I've seen one in the last year and a bit.
5) A few 87-89 Carreras (the G50 cars) - very few prices less than $20K, mostly priced in the low $20's, some priced into the $30s.
Most people will say the G50 Carreras are better than the 915 Carreras, and they'd be right....except that the G50 cars are heavier, and as the cars aged they lost a bit of their raw feel. I personally prefer a good 915 to a G50 but I wouldn't pay more for one..
**Add a transmission fluid swap to Swepco 201 to my list above by the way - if it hasn't been done yet.
The 3.2 litre motors were very reliable. They need valve guides at 100K miles usually, and apparently the rod bolts can get a bit stretchy under severe load, but both of these issues only get talked about when comparing the 3.2 to the 3.0 SC motor that preceded it. The 3.0 is pretty much the gold standard for durability, and not just in the Porsche world. The 3.2 is a close second.
Anyway - long post. I can totally understand a straight swap.
915 equipped 3.2 Carreras are actually quite rare. I've been looking pretty much every day at 911's for sale for the last several years. More for interests's sake than any real intent to purchase, but I've been scouring craigslist and the various classifieds specifically tracking the values for the 1977 through 1989 models. Before rthatthe cars weren't galvanized so I'm not interested.
In my searches I see:
1) A few 1977 cars, not cheap enough. $12K - 17K is typical.
2) A lot of 78-79 SC's. The prices range from $7K to $24K, with what looks like good cars available for $15K-$17K.
3) Very few 80-83 SC's - not enough to predict typical prices.
4) Very few 84-86 Carreras (the 915 cars) - not enough to predict typical prices. I've been *specifically* looking for one of these for less than $20K and I think I've seen one in the last year and a bit.
5) A few 87-89 Carreras (the G50 cars) - very few prices less than $20K, mostly priced in the low $20's, some priced into the $30s.
Most people will say the G50 Carreras are better than the 915 Carreras, and they'd be right....except that the G50 cars are heavier, and as the cars aged they lost a bit of their raw feel. I personally prefer a good 915 to a G50 but I wouldn't pay more for one..
**Add a transmission fluid swap to Swepco 201 to my list above by the way - if it hasn't been done yet.
The 3.2 litre motors were very reliable. They need valve guides at 100K miles usually, and apparently the rod bolts can get a bit stretchy under severe load, but both of these issues only get talked about when comparing the 3.2 to the 3.0 SC motor that preceded it. The 3.0 is pretty much the gold standard for durability, and not just in the Porsche world. The 3.2 is a close second.
Anyway - long post. I can totally understand a straight swap.
03-21-2010, 07:49 AM
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Nice Ed...you finally did the deal. It's called regession going from water -cooled to air- cooled. Congrats, it's still a Porsche, still a 911...just a bit older. Thanks for the pics.
03-21-2010, 08:20 AM
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Ed, you got that instead of a Honda???? Good move! 
Congrats! Nice looking car!
Now get the hell out of here and go ovet to the "air suckers" fourm!
No, you can stay here. Who else am I going to give a hard time about buying parts that don't fit?
Great looking car!
Congrats! Nice looking car!
Now get the hell out of here and go ovet to the "air suckers" fourm!
No, you can stay here. Who else am I going to give a hard time about buying parts that don't fit?
Great looking car!
03-21-2010, 09:07 AM
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O.K. but that's a lot of HP to give up...
I do...a good 99 996 will cost in the low 20's and, so will a good 86. I think the same hold strue if the cars were tatty actually. Notice I said "will cost" and not "is worth".
915 equipped 3.2 Carreras are actually quite rare. I've been looking pretty much every day at 911's for sale for the last several years. More for interests's sake than any real intent to purchase, but I've been scouring craigslist and the various classifieds specifically tracking the values for the 1977 through 1989 models. Before rthatthe cars weren't galvanized so I'm not interested.
In my searches I see:
1) A few 1977 cars, not cheap enough. $12K - 17K is typical.
2) A lot of 78-79 SC's. The prices range from $7K to $24K, with what looks like good cars available for $15K-$17K.
3) Very few 80-83 SC's - not enough to predict typical prices.
4) Very few 84-86 Carreras (the 915 cars) - not enough to predict typical prices. I've been *specifically* looking for one of these for less than $20K and I think I've seen one in the last year and a bit.
5) A few 87-89 Carreras (the G50 cars) - very few prices less than $20K, mostly priced in the low $20's, some priced into the $30s.
Most people will say the G50 Carreras are better than the 915 Carreras, and they'd be right....except that the G50 cars are heavier, and as the cars aged they lost a bit of their raw feel. I personally prefer a good 915 to a G50 but I wouldn't pay more for one..
**Add a transmission fluid swap to Swepco 201 to my list above by the way - if it hasn't been done yet.
The 3.2 litre motors were very reliable. They need valve guides at 100K miles usually, and apparently the rod bolts can get a bit stretchy under severe load, but both of these issues only get talked about when comparing the 3.2 to the 3.0 SC motor that preceded it. The 3.0 is pretty much the gold standard for durability, and not just in the Porsche world. The 3.2 is a close second.
Anyway - long post. I can totally understand a straight swap.
915 equipped 3.2 Carreras are actually quite rare. I've been looking pretty much every day at 911's for sale for the last several years. More for interests's sake than any real intent to purchase, but I've been scouring craigslist and the various classifieds specifically tracking the values for the 1977 through 1989 models. Before rthatthe cars weren't galvanized so I'm not interested.
In my searches I see:
1) A few 1977 cars, not cheap enough. $12K - 17K is typical.
2) A lot of 78-79 SC's. The prices range from $7K to $24K, with what looks like good cars available for $15K-$17K.
3) Very few 80-83 SC's - not enough to predict typical prices.
4) Very few 84-86 Carreras (the 915 cars) - not enough to predict typical prices. I've been *specifically* looking for one of these for less than $20K and I think I've seen one in the last year and a bit.
5) A few 87-89 Carreras (the G50 cars) - very few prices less than $20K, mostly priced in the low $20's, some priced into the $30s.
Most people will say the G50 Carreras are better than the 915 Carreras, and they'd be right....except that the G50 cars are heavier, and as the cars aged they lost a bit of their raw feel. I personally prefer a good 915 to a G50 but I wouldn't pay more for one..
**Add a transmission fluid swap to Swepco 201 to my list above by the way - if it hasn't been done yet.
The 3.2 litre motors were very reliable. They need valve guides at 100K miles usually, and apparently the rod bolts can get a bit stretchy under severe load, but both of these issues only get talked about when comparing the 3.2 to the 3.0 SC motor that preceded it. The 3.0 is pretty much the gold standard for durability, and not just in the Porsche world. The 3.2 is a close second.
Anyway - long post. I can totally understand a straight swap.