why is the 993 worth so much more than a 996?
06-14-2007, 06:07 PM
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It's simple, there is a small segment of the sports car market that prefers a heavier car, a slower car,and a poorer handling car based on more dated technology and built based on retro design themes and they are willing to pay more for it. 
06-14-2007, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Choi
Sorry dude don't get your panties in a bunch don't take it personal as i didn't have my dead poet's society English class deconstructionism glasses on reading your post on an internet car forum 
06-14-2007, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 03Targa
It's simple, there is a small segment of the sports car market that prefers a heavier car, a slower car,and a poorer handling car based on more dated technology and built based on retro design themes and they are willing to pay more for it.
06-14-2007, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by joey c
well dell,did 993's have issues that resulted in engine failure...no,yes valve guide issues that are corrected...i had 2 boxsters that had rms issues..1 needed a new engine..i have had 4 friends with 996s..3 of them needed new engines and ALL 4 had rms issue..what i meant by blow up is engine failure..sorry about that..please dont attack ""assinine comment""..its not cool..
While I agree that the M96 isn't exactly the pinacle of Porsche motors like the M64 dry sump, it certainly isn't a slouch either and EXTREMELY reliable.
06-14-2007, 06:51 PM
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ya know dell i love all of these cars and would like one of each..i prefer the air cooled cars cause those were the cars i lusted for as a child..my daily driver is an 87 911..i loved my boxster s and i loved the 993 that i owned...i would buy a 996 at some point..i just prefer the looks,smells,and sounds of the older cars..i know that the 996 is a better car than the older ones but i like the older ones..i actually prefer the 3.2 to the 993 in a lot of ways...and i must admit that i am nervous about purchasing a 993 cause they are at an age where things are going,and they are not cheap..
06-14-2007, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joey c
ya know dell i love all of these cars and would like one of each..i prefer the air cooled cars cause those were the cars i lusted for as a child.
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06-14-2007, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LVDell
I think that sums it up for just about all of us! Excellent point. The poster I had was of a 930 slant nose (white). Of course I didn't end up getting one but instead bought my CAB and GT3. Still I would love to have a garage large enough to own every model (with an engine in back )
)I just love 911s... they're like beautiful women... curvy in all of the right places. Every one just a little different, some with "features" better than others. All have their flaws. Why can't I have them all? What were we talking about again?
Oh yeah, I'm married.
And don't have an unlimited budget.
06-14-2007, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkD
I just love 911s... they're like beautiful women... curvy in all of the right places. Every one just a little different, some with "features" better than others. All have their flaws.
I likie both for different reasons. And now I crave an AM V8...just to keep them company 
06-14-2007, 10:42 PM
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I wound up with a 993 for looks, certainly not for technical supremacy. Living in congested Atlanta, there's no way for me to tap but a fraction of the 993's performance capabilities anyway. At the time, though, I was blissfully unaware of the 993-996 debate and in my naivete actually started looking at pre-996's assuming they'd be cheaper. I was wrong about that, of course, but in the end I ponied up for the more expensive car. (Hey, it was the right color combo!) No regrets, luckily. There is something about this retro anachronism of a car that works for me, probably because I'm becoming a bit of an anachronism myself, ha ha!
06-14-2007, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceP
Hate to let facts intrude on a talmudic debate like this, but a couple of things:
Porsche sold somewhere around 80,000 993s in four years, one of their hottest sellers ever. They are only slightly more rare than 996s because the latter was in production a couple of years longer.
Porsche sold somewhere around 80,000 993s in four years, one of their hottest sellers ever. They are only slightly more rare than 996s because the latter was in production a couple of years longer.
This is substantial.
06-15-2007, 02:07 AM
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I have actually several comments here. First, although 993 prices have been strong the last few years; they have been falling ever since the 997 came out. Best guess is the market has learned water cooled is here to stay and they are being pushed down by the newer/better performing cars. The common styling traits between the 997 and the 993 is also probably helping the 993 lose some of its status. The worst hit are 993 turbos, which seem to have dropped $10K almost over night. I am see a lot of them now in the $50's, which is a significant change.
Yes the widebody cars (C2S and C4S) are higher than the regular, but they also cost a lot more new and you can say the same for the 996 C4S. 95' 993's are realatively cheap and will stay that was as they are the poorest performing of the generation and the only year with basically a 964 engine with a better exhaust. There were many improvements including Varioram, better heads and subtle body changes that included integrating the 3rd brake light into the rear window. 96' was also the first year 18" wheels were optional on the base Carrera. In 96', you could get 18x8.0" wheels up front with 225/40 tires and 18x10.0" wheels out back with 265/35 tires as a factory option (same wheel and tire sizes as the previous 965 Turbo 3.6). These things easily justify the money for a 96'. This is really interesting because the higher resale Carrera 2S has the same 18" wheel and tire size option of the previous narrow body car, but also almost an additional 100 lbs to more around. The last 2 years (97 and 98) production was very low, which has also helped to hold value, whie the first model year of the 996 lastest almost 2 calendar years.
What is interesting, is that the best driving/handling 993 is one of the more reasonably priced ones. That is the 96' Carrera with the M030 sports suspension and the M220 LSD. I had an opportunity to pick up a low mileage (37K) with both these options and sport seats in the low $30's. I passed baecause an early 996 is just a much faster, better handling and better driving car.
Yes the widebody cars (C2S and C4S) are higher than the regular, but they also cost a lot more new and you can say the same for the 996 C4S. 95' 993's are realatively cheap and will stay that was as they are the poorest performing of the generation and the only year with basically a 964 engine with a better exhaust. There were many improvements including Varioram, better heads and subtle body changes that included integrating the 3rd brake light into the rear window. 96' was also the first year 18" wheels were optional on the base Carrera. In 96', you could get 18x8.0" wheels up front with 225/40 tires and 18x10.0" wheels out back with 265/35 tires as a factory option (same wheel and tire sizes as the previous 965 Turbo 3.6). These things easily justify the money for a 96'. This is really interesting because the higher resale Carrera 2S has the same 18" wheel and tire size option of the previous narrow body car, but also almost an additional 100 lbs to more around. The last 2 years (97 and 98) production was very low, which has also helped to hold value, whie the first model year of the 996 lastest almost 2 calendar years.
What is interesting, is that the best driving/handling 993 is one of the more reasonably priced ones. That is the 96' Carrera with the M030 sports suspension and the M220 LSD. I had an opportunity to pick up a low mileage (37K) with both these options and sport seats in the low $30's. I passed baecause an early 996 is just a much faster, better handling and better driving car.
06-15-2007, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 02 Carrera
I have actually several comments here. First, although 993 prices have been strong the last few years; they have been falling ever since the 997 came out. Best guess is the market has learned water cooled is here to stay and they are being pushed down by the newer/better performing cars. The common styling traits between the 997 and the 993 is also probably helping the 993 lose some of its status. The worst hit are 993 turbos, which seem to have dropped $10K almost over night. I am see a lot of them now in the $50's, which is a significant change.
Yes the widebody cars (C2S and C4S) are higher than the regular, but they also cost a lot more new and you can say the same for the 996 C4S. 95' 993's are realatively cheap and will stay that was as they are the poorest performing of the generation and the only year with basically a 964 engine with a better exhaust. There were many improvements including Varioram, better heads and subtle body changes that included integrating the 3rd brake light into the rear window. 96' was also the first year 18" wheels were optional on the base Carrera. In 96', you could get 18x8.0" wheels up front with 225/40 tires and 18x10.0" wheels out back with 265/35 tires as a factory option (same wheel and tire sizes as the previous 965 Turbo 3.6). These things easily justify the money for a 96'. This is really interesting because the higher resale Carrera 2S has the same 18" wheel and tire size option of the previous narrow body car, but also almost an additional 100 lbs to more around. The last 2 years (97 and 98) production was very low, which has also helped to hold value, whie the first model year of the 996 lastest almost 2 calendar years.
What is interesting, is that the best driving/handling 993 is one of the more reasonably priced ones. That is the 96' Carrera with the M030 sports suspension and the M220 LSD. I had an opportunity to pick up a low mileage (37K) with both these options and sport seats in the low $30's. I passed baecause an early 996 is just a much faster, better handling and better driving car.
Yes the widebody cars (C2S and C4S) are higher than the regular, but they also cost a lot more new and you can say the same for the 996 C4S. 95' 993's are realatively cheap and will stay that was as they are the poorest performing of the generation and the only year with basically a 964 engine with a better exhaust. There were many improvements including Varioram, better heads and subtle body changes that included integrating the 3rd brake light into the rear window. 96' was also the first year 18" wheels were optional on the base Carrera. In 96', you could get 18x8.0" wheels up front with 225/40 tires and 18x10.0" wheels out back with 265/35 tires as a factory option (same wheel and tire sizes as the previous 965 Turbo 3.6). These things easily justify the money for a 96'. This is really interesting because the higher resale Carrera 2S has the same 18" wheel and tire size option of the previous narrow body car, but also almost an additional 100 lbs to more around. The last 2 years (97 and 98) production was very low, which has also helped to hold value, whie the first model year of the 996 lastest almost 2 calendar years.
What is interesting, is that the best driving/handling 993 is one of the more reasonably priced ones. That is the 96' Carrera with the M030 sports suspension and the M220 LSD. I had an opportunity to pick up a low mileage (37K) with both these options and sport seats in the low $30's. I passed baecause an early 996 is just a much faster, better handling and better driving car.
06-15-2007, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LVDell
please let us know which models in the entire P-Car line had engines that "blow up".
Never understood assinine comments like that without empirical evidence. Just another anectodal follower.
Never understood assinine comments like that without empirical evidence. Just another anectodal follower.
To the question of the original poster, I think that its not a matter which one is the better car. Its all nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Each 911 has its merits and its week points.
What it comes down is what people like to buy and what is the supply vs demand. People vote with their dollars and the relative abundance of 996's compared to the 993 is not helping the resale values. Its irrelevant if its a "better" 911 or not.