Replacement 996 motor out of warranty?
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Oh by the way, when my engine failed, it was sitting in the garage. I drove the car home on Friday and it sat until Tuesday when I fired it up and got all the smoke. If I was driving the car hard at a club rally or a track, i would not balk at it being screwed up. But for the car to have an engine failure after a 3.3 mile commute home from work is a JOKE in my opinion.
Thanks for the offer of the motor. I have a promising lead from my local dealer so I will keep you guys posted.
Thanks for the offer of the motor. I have a promising lead from my local dealer so I will keep you guys posted.
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THAT is the million dollar question. Do they think they are the only ones qualified to rebuild them? My guess is that there is so much profit and so little trouble in making people buy new engines that they just go that route for simplification.
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Seems like a golden opportunity for a good rebuild shop to take on.
There are some shops that could go as far as diagnosing the problem and creating a solution.
Especially at 10k each, if would really be worth it to reach an agreement with a few porsche wreckign yards and start buying up cores, and get to work on them. Plus if you have the right contacts, having new pistons, rods, cylinders and bearings etc manufactured from the originals, is not that big of a proposition.
As far as the guys on here being really arrogant and saying it is your fault for buying the car/driving the car, You're right. I guess they should just burn them after a certain mileage since they are gonna blow up anyway.
And, Yes, if it is a design flaw, it should be covered. I can understand Porsches thinking that if it is out of warranty, it is not covered. After all, they said it would last throught the warranty, and that's it. Not doing something about it and not providing a "fix" to prevent it, is not taking care of the people who bought their 70-80k cars. It's a business decision, and frankly a very stupid one. But the fact that they only rebuild them at the factory and have not encouraged aftermarket parts, only makes it that much harder for them to cover it. If it cost them 2500 to fix, it might have been covered, but at probably 6-7k, I am sure they wouldn't.
Plus like was said before, when do you cut it off? But if they designed a "Fix" for it that would make the engines last 100k, then they could offer the repair or rebuild within 100k, 1 per car if needed.
just my 2 cents, but I always think corporate responsibility should rank the same as profits in importance.
There are some shops that could go as far as diagnosing the problem and creating a solution.
Especially at 10k each, if would really be worth it to reach an agreement with a few porsche wreckign yards and start buying up cores, and get to work on them. Plus if you have the right contacts, having new pistons, rods, cylinders and bearings etc manufactured from the originals, is not that big of a proposition.
As far as the guys on here being really arrogant and saying it is your fault for buying the car/driving the car, You're right. I guess they should just burn them after a certain mileage since they are gonna blow up anyway.
And, Yes, if it is a design flaw, it should be covered. I can understand Porsches thinking that if it is out of warranty, it is not covered. After all, they said it would last throught the warranty, and that's it. Not doing something about it and not providing a "fix" to prevent it, is not taking care of the people who bought their 70-80k cars. It's a business decision, and frankly a very stupid one. But the fact that they only rebuild them at the factory and have not encouraged aftermarket parts, only makes it that much harder for them to cover it. If it cost them 2500 to fix, it might have been covered, but at probably 6-7k, I am sure they wouldn't.
Plus like was said before, when do you cut it off? But if they designed a "Fix" for it that would make the engines last 100k, then they could offer the repair or rebuild within 100k, 1 per car if needed.
just my 2 cents, but I always think corporate responsibility should rank the same as profits in importance.
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So when you buy a new Porsche does the dealer tell you:
I can sell you a turn signal. a door, a windshield, etc.. but no engine parts.......
and after warranty:
if the engine blows you will have to replace it
like you do on a light bulb.
I can sell you a turn signal. a door, a windshield, etc.. but no engine parts.......
and after warranty:
if the engine blows you will have to replace it
like you do on a light bulb.
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Originally Posted by AlvaSpeed
So when you buy a new Porsche does the dealer tell you:
I can sell you a turn signal. a door, a windshield, etc.. but no engine parts.......
and after warranty:
if the engine blows you will have to replace it
like you do on a light bulb.
I can sell you a turn signal. a door, a windshield, etc.. but no engine parts.......
and after warranty:
if the engine blows you will have to replace it
like you do on a light bulb.
Noooo, Just like severy other salesman they will tell you it will last forever if that's what they think you want to hear.
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If you're telling me that ANY engine problem on a 996 requires a complete engine replacement, these cars are going to become almost unsaleable used. They do sell engine parts for 993's and 964's, what makes this engine so "special"? That has got to be the dumbest marketing decision I've ever heard.
I truly love this car, but it looks like it's time to look at older models if this is the case.
I truly love this car, but it looks like it's time to look at older models if this is the case.
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I loved my 996 until last week. I would search for something else. The 993 is still a great looking car.
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Actually the 996 engine replacement program is great for a lot of reasons.
1) The price is dirt cheap. Don't think so, price a 993 rebuild at your local independent. $7k for a new engine will look pretty good.
2) You get a completely rebuilt and updated engine, built by Porsche in Germany and carrying a Porsche warrantee. I'm a big fan of independents but try and get one to give you a two year warrantee.
3) The engine comes with all new or rebuilt accessories including A/C, altenator, etc.
4) Porsche gets all the failed engines for R&D.
Other points:
You don't have to swap an identical engine to get a core credit. I traded a 3.4 for a 3.6.
I'm sure if you look around you can get any part you want to rebuild yourself.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Jim
1) The price is dirt cheap. Don't think so, price a 993 rebuild at your local independent. $7k for a new engine will look pretty good.
2) You get a completely rebuilt and updated engine, built by Porsche in Germany and carrying a Porsche warrantee. I'm a big fan of independents but try and get one to give you a two year warrantee.
3) The engine comes with all new or rebuilt accessories including A/C, altenator, etc.
4) Porsche gets all the failed engines for R&D.
Other points:
You don't have to swap an identical engine to get a core credit. I traded a 3.4 for a 3.6.
I'm sure if you look around you can get any part you want to rebuild yourself.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Jim
Last edited by JimB; 12-31-2005 at 06:32 PM.
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I am one of the fortunate ones who got an engine goodwilled by Porsche on an out of warranty car. My car was about four years old and had 22k miles on it and nothing funny showed up in the computer. In addition, everytime the coolant light came on, I took it into a dealership to get it fixed and documented. Once the engine mixed, it sat at the dealership all summer, but I ended up with a rebuilt from Porsche at no cost. The dealer I worked with really sucked, but they had a great mechanic they stole from another dealer and he championed my cause. These catastrophic failures are definitely Porsche's dirty little secret.
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i used to have all sorts of worries about my heavily tracked C2. it was JimB who convinced me that just drive the damn thing. if things should blow up, don't rebuilt, just replace the whole motor, it's about same price as a 993 rebuilt.