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Old 04-06-2023, 01:48 PM
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I think you'll find Option 220 in post 1999 cars.
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Originally Posted by Martin S.
I think you'll find Option 220 in post 1999 cars.
Option 220 disappeared once PSM became standard equipment on most 2000+ MY production. There are some exceptions like the 40th Jahre edition.
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Old 04-06-2023, 02:27 PM
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My 2015 Cayman GTS came with PTV and Option 220 LSD

I checked my 2017 Porsche GTS. Check here: https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-91...options-codes/

We also can see Option 220 is indeed now called PTV Porsche Torque Vectoring , and there is Option 221which is PTV+ Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus, provides controlled rear-diff. lock in addition to PTV.

I rest my case, however flimsy it may be.
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Originally Posted by Martin S.
My 2015 Cayman GTS came with PTV and Option 220 LSD

I checked my 2017 Porsche GTS. Check here: https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-91...options-codes/

We also can see Option 220 is indeed now called PTV Porsche Torque Vectoring , and there is Option 221which is PTV+ Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus, provides controlled rear-diff. lock in addition to PTV.

I rest my case, however flimsy it may be.
Ummm...were talking about the 996 series here...997 onward is a whole other ball of wax (and forum group for that matter).
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Originally Posted by parris
They are not actually.
Even if you want to consider them "special" because they were manufactured together with the 993 (even all the 996 after were also produced in the same line), as you can read in that piece of text, that was just until early in the year 98, what applies for MY98 cars (second column in the table)

Model year for the 996 changed around July, meaning that most of the US cars that you see in the US as manufactured in 98, are in fact, MY99 (they will count in the third column) and there is nothing special in those numbers.

Special are definetely the first 14 MY97, and the MY98 if you want, because is the first full year of production and because is the year with less production, but none of them made it to the US (where they started to arrive in MY99 format, meaning manufactured from mid 98 to mid 99)
You don't consider being the lightest road-legal watercooled 911 ever produced special? Lighter than the 996 GT3 even lighter than the 993 it was built beside? How about the fact that they're the one year only it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911? One of the biggest arguments of air and water is enthusiasts love the Annalog air cooled driver connection. The early 996 was throttle cable, no egas no drive by wire, could be optioned without traction control, without obc. There was no pasm, pto, none of that it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911 and never was again. The 996s after it have one form of tc or another reguardless of how they're optioned. The dash button does not turn it off despite what people think. Even the 996 GT3 is drive by wire. Haggerty UK and autocar have published that the early 996 they tested put down a slightly quicker 0 to 60 and matched 0 to 100 time as the higher horse power heavier 996 GT3. You'll never hear that posted by Porsche a base model vs top of the line model but those publications put it in print that says something. Depending on how the car was optioned there were far less produced than 996 GT3s. I have the a fully Annalog no tc no obc opt 408 wheels, m30 suspension with getrag G96 60/40 mechanical limited-slip rear diff I have never seen another one. Definitely special to me. Definitely a different drive experience to other 996 I have had. Hand Built is the least of what I consider special about the early cars.
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Originally Posted by parris
They are not actually.Even if you want to consider them "special" because they were manufactured together with the 993 (even all the 996 after were also produced in the same line), as you can read in that piece of text, that was just until early in the year 98, what applies for MY98 cars (second column in the table) Model year for the 996 changed around July, meaning that most of the US cars that you see in the US as manufactured in 98, are in fact, MY99 (they will count in the third column) and there is nothing special in those numbers. Special are definetely the first 14 MY97, and the MY98 if you want, because is the first full year of production and because is the year with less production, but none of them made it to the US (where they started to arrive in MY99 format, meaning manufactured from mid 98 to mid 99)
You don't consider being the lightest road-legal watercooled 911 ever produced special? Lighter than the 996 GT3 even lighter than the 993 it was built beside? How about the fact that they're the one year only it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911? One of the biggest arguments of air and water is enthusiasts love the Annalog air cooled driver connection. The early 996 was throttle cable, no egas no drive by wire, could be optioned without traction control, without obc. There was no pasm, pto, none of that it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911 and never was again. The 996s after it have one form of tc or another reguardless of how they're optioned. The dash button does not turn it off despite what people think. Even the 996 GT3 is drive by wire. Haggerty UK and autocar have published that the early 996 they tested put down a slightly quicker 0 to 60 and matched 0 to 100 time as the higher horse power heavier 996 GT3. You'll never hear that posted by Porsche a base model vs top of the line model but those publications put it in print with thier reputation that says something. Depending on how the car was optioned there were far less produced than 996 GT3s. I have the a fully Annalog no tc no obc opt 408 wheels, m30 suspension with getrag G96 with 60/40 mechanical limited-slip rear diff I have never seen another one. Ordered in 1997 stamped/door tag Jan 1998 shipped to Chales Mair new in California in April 1999 and titled 1999. I don't completely follow the my97 my98 my99 determinations maybe you can explain that to me. I know the US didn't get them until 1999 about all i know i thought all the US cars were MY99 just because of the year they're titled/sold new but but mine was built in late 97 completed tagged jan 98 , is it still an MY99? Regardless Definitely different raw feeling about it compared to the others i have driven or owned. Definitely a different drive experience to other 996 I have had altogether. Hand Built is the least of what I consider special about the early cars i think its the lack of computer driver aids your foot on a pedal connected to the tb with a cable and you decide how much gas to give it weather the tires are spinning or not lol.
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I have a 9/98, TC, no obc, no rear wiper...and it's the bee's knees. They are special! When I looked at getting a 996, these were the only ones I looked for.
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Originally Posted by Garage19builds
I don't completely follow the my97 my98 my99 determinations maybe you can explain that to me. I know the US didn't get them until 1999 about all i know i thought all the US cars were MY99 just because of the year they're titled/sold new but but mine was built in late 97 completed tagged jan 98 , is it still an MY99?
MY is determined by the VIN: a V in the VIN indicates 1997, W indicates 1998, and X indicates 1999. No V or W cars were exported to the NA market, and X cars destined for NA began production in January of 1998. Your car was built in January of 1998 and was registered as a MY99 car based on the VIN Porsche assigned to it. From January to August of 1998, both W & X cars were built along side each other. The X cars were destined for the NA market and the W cars went to the ROW market. Commencing September of 1998 all cars had X in the VIN. There were roughly 2000 W cars built and shipped to ROW customers in 1997 before X production began in January of 1998.

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Could it be the people that own them find them special and the rest of us….. not so much ?
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Originally Posted by zbomb
Could it be the people that own them find them special and the rest of us….. not so much ?
Yes very much so.
Old 10-24-2023, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zbomb
Could it be the people that own them find them special and the rest of us….. not so much ?
I don't think so, I own 2 My99's and neither is the "early versions" , but I find the early ones unique/special/unpresidented......
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I need to understand if enough “unique “ things that are different from the cars that followed or preceded it
Dont make it special what would ???
my early build 6/98 has a factory aero and one year only color glacier white and space gray interior
I’ve only seen one car in over 20 shows that came close to mine but was missing the aero package
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Originally Posted by EVOMMM
I need to understand if enough “unique “ things that are different from the cars that followed or preceded it
Dont make it special what would ???
my early build 6/98 has a factory aero and one year only color glacier white and space gray interior
I’ve only seen one car in over 20 shows that came close to mine but was missing the aero package
Don't worry about it, your car is special, and with the aero kit even more so, I even have to make a special UAOS kit just to fit the "early cars" because they are so different from the rest..
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Originally Posted by matthew.a.tanner
I have a 9/98, TC, no obc, no rear wiper...and it's the bee's knees. They are special! When I looked at getting a 996, these were the only ones I looked for.
mine is similar as well.. very raw/analog feeling and lightweight

sept 98 build
aerokit
no rear wiper
no obc
no traction control
no rear wiper

just too bad it has a sunroof!
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Originally Posted by EVOMMM
I need to understand if enough “unique “ things that are different from the cars that followed or preceded it
Dont make it special what would ???
my early build 6/98 has a factory aero and one year only color glacier white and space gray interior
I’ve only seen one car in over 20 shows that came close to mine but was missing the aero package
The term "special" is subjective to the person using it. What is special to you may have very little meaning to me. I would venture that most all of us 996 owners feel like our car is special regardless of MY, build date, options, etc. If we want to extrapolate special into "unique" or "rare" then I would argue there are many variations of the 996 over it's production cycle that could fit into these monikers. Are the .1 early cars different than the .1 later cars? Absolutely, just as the .2 cars are different from the .1 cars. Porsche was continously evolving the 996 from the very first day of production which naturally created differences over the years. Case in point...would your 6/98 be any more special than my C2 Aerokit/X51/sunroof delete built in January of 2000? To you...probably...to me, not so much. Así es la vida.
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