Ferrous Metal in Oil Filter
05-25-2021, 04:58 PM
#16
Racer
Thread Starter
If it were me, I would open a ticket at Flat6Innovations and ask all your questions there.
Even if you don't ultimately have them rebuild your engine, you can pay for consulting, which is probably worth more than it's weight in gold!
The paid consulting is something that they offer that more people should take advantage of, IMHO!
Asking here for free is a good first step, but the next best step is to pay for their expertise.
Even if you don't ultimately have them rebuild your engine, you can pay for consulting, which is probably worth more than it's weight in gold!
The paid consulting is something that they offer that more people should take advantage of, IMHO!
Asking here for free is a good first step, but the next best step is to pay for their expertise.
05-25-2021, 05:05 PM
#17
Racer
Thread Starter
Again..
Pull the sump plate, document what you find in the floor of the sump. This is THE FIRST step to diagnosing any internal issue with these engines. The sump plate is a window to the soul of the engine.
You need a 10mm socket, ratchet and a large screwdriver or pry bar to remove it. This will take you less than 30 minutes, even if you are slow. My 9 year old daughter pulled one last week in 11 minutes by herself, but she's done it before.
Pull the sump plate, document what you find in the floor of the sump. This is THE FIRST step to diagnosing any internal issue with these engines. The sump plate is a window to the soul of the engine.
You need a 10mm socket, ratchet and a large screwdriver or pry bar to remove it. This will take you less than 30 minutes, even if you are slow. My 9 year old daughter pulled one last week in 11 minutes by herself, but she's done it before.
I'm going to pull the pan but it probably won't be until the weekend. I was already thinking I wanted to do that sometime in the next year anyway. I need to get the old oil out of my drain pan to make room for the new and buy the goop to re-seal the pan. Might as well clean it too while it's off.
I may open a ticket.
05-25-2021, 05:26 PM
#18
Former Vendor
What are your daughter's rates?
I'm going to pull the pan but it probably won't be until the weekend. I was already thinking I wanted to do that sometime in the next year anyway. I need to get the old oil out of my drain pan to make room for the new and buy the goop to re-seal the pan. Might as well clean it too while it's off.
I may open a ticket.
I'm going to pull the pan but it probably won't be until the weekend. I was already thinking I wanted to do that sometime in the next year anyway. I need to get the old oil out of my drain pan to make room for the new and buy the goop to re-seal the pan. Might as well clean it too while it's off.
I may open a ticket.
Post some pics of what you find here.. No need to set up a ticket at this point, I'll try to stay tuned to the thread. The tickets have been bombarding me for the past 3 weeks, anyway..
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05-25-2021, 05:30 PM
#19
Racer
Thread Starter
Thanks for all the advice so far. I'll wait for the UOA, pull the pan this weekend and take more pictures & probably open a ticket with FSI for advice. At 45K miles, LN IMSB installed by the previous owner and 4 oil filter inspections showing absolutely no flakes a teardown or rebuild wasn't something I was expecting at this point. Especially not one year in. Sounds like the best case scenario is the replacement IMSB failed but I doubt it. Next would be cam lobes. I saw that in another thread. Jake thinks it might be the crankshaft and he knows his stuff. I hope it's not that because that's basically a full rebuild.
It'll be interesting to see what I find in the pan. I think anything in there would be relatively heavy. I put cheese cloth over the drain pan when I'm draining the oil and there was nothing on it. So I know nothing big came out of the pan.
It'll be interesting to see what I find in the pan. I think anything in there would be relatively heavy. I put cheese cloth over the drain pan when I'm draining the oil and there was nothing on it. So I know nothing big came out of the pan.
05-25-2021, 06:29 PM
#20
Rennlist Member
Thanks for all the advice so far. I'll wait for the UOA, pull the pan this weekend and take more pictures & probably open a ticket with FSI for advice. At 45K miles, LN IMSB installed by the previous owner and 4 oil filter inspections showing absolutely no flakes a teardown or rebuild wasn't something I was expecting at this point. Especially not one year in. Sounds like the best case scenario is the replacement IMSB failed but I doubt it. Next would be cam lobes. I saw that in another thread. Jake thinks it might be the crankshaft and he knows his stuff. I hope it's not that because that's basically a full rebuild.
It'll be interesting to see what I find in the pan. I think anything in there would be relatively heavy. I put cheese cloth over the drain pan when I'm draining the oil and there was nothing on it. So I know nothing big came out of the pan.
It'll be interesting to see what I find in the pan. I think anything in there would be relatively heavy. I put cheese cloth over the drain pan when I'm draining the oil and there was nothing on it. So I know nothing big came out of the pan.
05-25-2021, 06:43 PM
#21
Former Vendor
Thanks for all the advice so far. I'll wait for the UOA, pull the pan this weekend and take more pictures & probably open a ticket with FSI for advice. At 45K miles, LN IMSB installed by the previous owner and 4 oil filter inspections showing absolutely no flakes a teardown or rebuild wasn't something I was expecting at this point. Especially not one year in. Sounds like the best case scenario is the replacement IMSB failed but I doubt it. Next would be cam lobes. I saw that in another thread. Jake thinks it might be the crankshaft and he knows his stuff. I hope it's not that because that's basically a full rebuild.
It'll be interesting to see what I find in the pan. I think anything in there would be relatively heavy. I put cheese cloth over the drain pan when I'm draining the oil and there was nothing on it. So I know nothing big came out of the pan.
It'll be interesting to see what I find in the pan. I think anything in there would be relatively heavy. I put cheese cloth over the drain pan when I'm draining the oil and there was nothing on it. So I know nothing big came out of the pan.
05-28-2021, 06:34 AM
#24
Rennlist Member
Mine was the same. I then opened the swirl pots (block canisters seen in pic). I believe it was Jake that suggested these are the “window into the sole of the heads”. Easy to pop open.
05-28-2021, 12:23 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
As I remember, yes. Once in hand you will see it turns a 1/8 turn to unlock and open. My limited understanding is that the oil being recirculated back to sump from heads via scavenge pumps goes into these chambers to settle slightly and minimize foaming, before being dumped back into sump. Theory is any fragments will settle to bottom of these little pots.
05-28-2021, 12:51 PM
#27
Former Vendor
Note:
once these swirl pots are disassembled they can’t just be clipped back together. You must drill a hole at the point where they fit together, and either rivet, or safety wire them tightly together.
if these separate, you will ha e an instant failure on the track, and it’ll take longer on the street.
I lost a test engine in 2008 when one of these separated. It lasted 1/2 lap at Road Atlanta with the swirl pot separated.
once these swirl pots are disassembled they can’t just be clipped back together. You must drill a hole at the point where they fit together, and either rivet, or safety wire them tightly together.
if these separate, you will ha e an instant failure on the track, and it’ll take longer on the street.
I lost a test engine in 2008 when one of these separated. It lasted 1/2 lap at Road Atlanta with the swirl pot separated.
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05-28-2021, 01:57 PM
#28
Burning Brakes
Can u get a borescope in the swirl pots? Disassemble sounds dangerous 😎
05-28-2021, 02:30 PM
#30
Racer
Thread Starter
The focal length on the scope might not be short enough to see metal flakes in the swirl pots that close up but I can try.