OT: Singer discussion with Jay Leno
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A great idea, make the 993 look like the far prettier 964, lets face it the 993 needs all the kelp it can get in the looks department
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Would be a sin to back date it. Headlight style is too modern to look 1970's porsche IMO.
964 is easier car to back date and already has the right headlight buckets for 1970's appearance.
Would I be correct in saying 964 donors are cheaper then 993 donors?
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993 already looks perfect.
Would be a sin to back date it. Headlight style is too modern to look 1970's porsche IMO.
964 is easier car to back date and already has the right headlight buckets for 1970's appearance.
Would I be correct in saying 964 donors are cheaper then 993 donors?
Would be a sin to back date it. Headlight style is too modern to look 1970's porsche IMO.
964 is easier car to back date and already has the right headlight buckets for 1970's appearance.
Would I be correct in saying 964 donors are cheaper then 993 donors?
There is no doubt anyone can build an awesome 911 for $100-200K and likely get 90% of the Singer experience. But I challenge anyone to replicate a Singer (parts, craftmanship, attention to detail, quality, etc) for less than what it costs SVD. It just can't be done based on the man-hours invested, R&D, and parts used. SVD has stated numerous times this is more a venture of passion than finances. I don't think the margins are significant on each unit sold.
It's fine to debate whether their pursuit of perfection is necessary (it isn't), but there is no doubt in my mind the cost required to achieve their results is completely warranted. I think it is worth every dollar it sells for and would buy one if I had the means.
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I wonder how much of the Singer is carbon fiber anyway.
My bet is carbon fiber for bumpers, front fenders, front hood, rear deck lid and spoiler with steel for the rest including custom welded rear wheel arches. In the video it was stated the doors are steel.
Properly laid up pre-preg cloth and autoclaved carbon fiber is expensive.
-B
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Rob made two statements in the video. One said the 964 was "a great starting point" for them build the car (1:54), he then goes on to say the 964 was "the best chassis Porsche ever put in an air-cooled" 911 (3:03).
Regarding the construction, if you go to the Singer Vehicle Design website and look at the "The Process" gallery, you can see the extent of CF usage in the car's body. It is literally every panel except the doors.
Regarding the construction, if you go to the Singer Vehicle Design website and look at the "The Process" gallery, you can see the extent of CF usage in the car's body. It is literally every panel except the doors.
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From: California Boardwalk, Skanderborg Denmark
I note, correct me if wrong:
Engine
One shown has Mahle, not LN barrels
Rods are either Carillo or Wossner or Arrow
Pistons look non-Mahle maybe JE?
GT3 oil pump
964 Countershaft, not GT3
GT3 Crank?
Body-
It appears to me that the 964 monocoque is "skeletonized" - note the large cut out in the roof in one picture. Then an overlay of carbon fiber panels is fitted over the remaining roof and rear quarter panel structure, all probably held on with adhesive.
The usual bolt on parts, hood, bumpers, deck lid, fenders, etc. are in carbon fiber.
Very cool IMHO and expensive.
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From: CT
Great post. Very revealing if one looks through it here http://singervehicledesign.com/galle...s/#prettyPhoto
I note, correct me if wrong:
Engine
One shown has Mahle, not LN barrels
Rods are either Carillo or Wossner or Arrow
Pistons look non-Mahle maybe JE?
GT3 oil pump
964 Countershaft, not GT3
GT3 Crank?
Body-
It appears to me that the 964 monocoque is "skeletonized" - note the large cut out in the roof in one picture. Then an overlay of carbon fiber panels is fitted over the remaining roof and rear quarter panel structure, all probably held on with adhesive.
The usual bolt on parts, hood, bumpers, deck lid, fenders, etc. are in carbon fiber.
Very cool IMHO and expensive.
I note, correct me if wrong:
Engine
One shown has Mahle, not LN barrels
Rods are either Carillo or Wossner or Arrow
Pistons look non-Mahle maybe JE?
GT3 oil pump
964 Countershaft, not GT3
GT3 Crank?
Body-
It appears to me that the 964 monocoque is "skeletonized" - note the large cut out in the roof in one picture. Then an overlay of carbon fiber panels is fitted over the remaining roof and rear quarter panel structure, all probably held on with adhesive.
The usual bolt on parts, hood, bumpers, deck lid, fenders, etc. are in carbon fiber.
Very cool IMHO and expensive.
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Singer has a fair selections of options as they should considering their market
here are the exhaust options
here are the exhaust options
Exhaust • The standard exhaust system retains heat exchangers and catalytic converters and is mated to lightweight stainless steel mufflers optimized for both sound and the power characteristics . It has twin center exit pipes and is ceramic coated in matte titanium gray with contrasting polished tips .
BULLET POINT Exhaust Options
1. Lightweight stainless steel header, exhaust and heat system. [* intended for off-road use only]
A newly developed lightweight stainless steel header system has been optimized for the power characteristics of the uprated engine. This system is free from the restrictions of the normal heat exchanger system with benefits in throttle response, torque characteristics and light weight. Heating for the car is supplied by a separate ESPAR heating module that interfaces with the cars existing HVAC system. Transmission The
BULLET POINT Exhaust Options
1. Lightweight stainless steel header, exhaust and heat system. [* intended for off-road use only]
A newly developed lightweight stainless steel header system has been optimized for the power characteristics of the uprated engine. This system is free from the restrictions of the normal heat exchanger system with benefits in throttle response, torque characteristics and light weight. Heating for the car is supplied by a separate ESPAR heating module that interfaces with the cars existing HVAC system. Transmission The
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Great post. Very revealing if one looks through it here http://singervehicledesign.com/galle...s/#prettyPhoto
I note, correct me if wrong:
Engine
One shown has Mahle, not LN barrels
Rods are either Carillo or Wossner or Arrow
Pistons look non-Mahle maybe JE?
GT3 oil pump
964 Countershaft, not GT3
GT3 Crank?
Body-
It appears to me that the 964 monocoque is "skeletonized" - note the large cut out in the roof in one picture. Then an overlay of carbon fiber panels is fitted over the remaining roof and rear quarter panel structure, all probably held on with adhesive.
The usual bolt on parts, hood, bumpers, deck lid, fenders, etc. are in carbon fiber.
Very cool IMHO and expensive.
I note, correct me if wrong:
Engine
One shown has Mahle, not LN barrels
Rods are either Carillo or Wossner or Arrow
Pistons look non-Mahle maybe JE?
GT3 oil pump
964 Countershaft, not GT3
GT3 Crank?
Body-
It appears to me that the 964 monocoque is "skeletonized" - note the large cut out in the roof in one picture. Then an overlay of carbon fiber panels is fitted over the remaining roof and rear quarter panel structure, all probably held on with adhesive.
The usual bolt on parts, hood, bumpers, deck lid, fenders, etc. are in carbon fiber.
Very cool IMHO and expensive.
•3.6-liter engine, producing 270 hp The 270BHP 3.6L engine is comprehensively rebuilt and blueprinted for maximum efficiency and retains the standard engine management system, exhaust and ancilliaries maintaining the engines regular emission calibration.
•3.8-liter engine, producing 360 hp [* intended for off-road use only] We are proud to be affiliated with Cosworth as the exclusive developer and supplier of the 360BHP 3.8L engine. This engine is built by world-class motorsport technicians at Cosworth’s ‘Center of Excellence’ in Torrance, California where the classic naturally aspirated Porsche flat six is optimized and re-built to motorsport tolerances. It benefits from true state of the art breakthroughs in intake design, cylinder head design, piston, cylinder and rod design, overall construction and engine management and successfully optimizes every facet of the classic air cooled flat six. We feel it is the ultimate compromise between a high revving , high horse-power Porsche racing engine and a torque rich, tractable and durable engine for the road.
•3.8-liter engine, producing 360 hp [* intended for off-road use only] We are proud to be affiliated with Cosworth as the exclusive developer and supplier of the 360BHP 3.8L engine. This engine is built by world-class motorsport technicians at Cosworth’s ‘Center of Excellence’ in Torrance, California where the classic naturally aspirated Porsche flat six is optimized and re-built to motorsport tolerances. It benefits from true state of the art breakthroughs in intake design, cylinder head design, piston, cylinder and rod design, overall construction and engine management and successfully optimizes every facet of the classic air cooled flat six. We feel it is the ultimate compromise between a high revving , high horse-power Porsche racing engine and a torque rich, tractable and durable engine for the road.
Singer 911 3.6L 300 BHP Base Price: $215,000
Singer 911 3.75L 360 BHP Base Price: $245,000
Singer 911 3.82L 425 BHP Base Price: $275,000
Singer 911 3.75L 360 BHP Base Price: $245,000
Singer 911 3.82L 425 BHP Base Price: $275,000
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