Truth about 2S
05-11-2012, 02:59 AM
#78
What's your point?
That is my point.You are supporting my argument. Porsche believed putting a WB was only needed when there was a significant power increase(10% or more). Like the 964 RSR. Other than that the WB or turbo-look cars were only for posers( "The perfect Kings Road 911").
05-11-2012, 05:54 AM
#80
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hi, my name is Joe...and I'm a poser.
05-11-2012, 10:45 AM
#82
I don't understand the issue. Lovers of the C2S usually find that they are due to the aesthetic aspects of the car, I don't think I've ever heard anybody claim that the wide hips gave any performance advantage. The fact that they are less aerodynamic, and that the wider tires provide higher rolling resistance, is common knowledge, and has been since its introduction. If one doesn't find themselves attracted to the WB, they should count themselves lucky, it is like not being attracted to gorgeous women... saves you quite a bit of money. It all seems pretty moot to me though, because if you're looking for the highest performance car, the 993 isn't going to be your cup of tea anyway.
With any enthusiast vehicle, or even any other collectable item on the planet, there will be reasons to knock it. Most of the time people have the manners to keep their opinions to themselves, but every once in a while someone comes along that feels the need to **** in somebody else's bowl of Cheerios.
With any enthusiast vehicle, or even any other collectable item on the planet, there will be reasons to knock it. Most of the time people have the manners to keep their opinions to themselves, but every once in a while someone comes along that feels the need to **** in somebody else's bowl of Cheerios.
05-11-2012, 10:57 AM
#83
Three Wheelin'
05-11-2012, 12:37 PM
#84
Drifting
I don't understand the issue. Lovers of the C2S usually find that they are due to the aesthetic aspects of the car, I don't think I've ever heard anybody claim that the wide hips gave any performance advantage. The fact that they are less aerodynamic, and that the wider tires provide higher rolling resistance, is common knowledge, and has been since its introduction. If one doesn't find themselves attracted to the WB, they should count themselves lucky, it is like not being attracted to gorgeous women... saves you quite a bit of money. It all seems pretty moot to me though, because if you're looking for the highest performance car, the 993 isn't going to be your cup of tea anyway.
With any enthusiast vehicle, or even any other collectable item on the planet, there will be reasons to knock it. Most of the time people have the manners to keep their opinions to themselves, but every once in a while someone comes along that feels the need to **** in somebody else's bowl of Cheerios.
With any enthusiast vehicle, or even any other collectable item on the planet, there will be reasons to knock it. Most of the time people have the manners to keep their opinions to themselves, but every once in a while someone comes along that feels the need to **** in somebody else's bowl of Cheerios.
05-11-2012, 12:43 PM
#85
Let's start from the beginning! Some can't read!
I love all variants of the 993. I think it is time to remember what the seasoned professional Porsche writers/testers and owners had to say about the 2S before all the hype started.
All of the quotes are taken from GT Purely Porsche 2002 to 2005.
August 2004 issue:
"First,back in September 2002, we lambasted the S for it's hyper-active road manners,calling it the perfect King's Road 911."
"In February of this year we ran a 993 2S and 4S buyers guide.The author of that feature announced that the wide-bodied cars are not as good to drive as a standard Carrera 2. On the track or perfectly smooth blacktop you wouldn't complain, but when it came to driving the car every day on the UK's pitiful highways, it was certainly not handling as fluently as it should. He went on to say: Many owners
found they couldn't live with the S on a day-to-day basis and quickly
sold them. Our Pure Data section in the magazine, meanwhile ,
describes the 2S as a 'best avoided. The wide-boy 993 is, it would
appear , is something of a dichotomy- a flawed genius."
December 2005 issue:
"....in execution the Carrera S ,with it's two-wheel drive running gear, 17-inch wheels and standard brakes proved to be a bit of a disappointment. Admittedly it looked fantastic, those wide hips and a drop in ride height giving the S a menacing, ground-hugging appearance, but there was none of the finesse of the standard Carrera 2 about the car. Where the Carrera 2 glided over surface imperfections, the C2S crashed and thumped, hunting cambers and demanding frequent corrections. As an overall package this was the most compromised of the 993 range."
There are numerous other negative opinions given about the 2S. The
30 extra kilos reduced its performance and make it a difficult
machine to drive. There was and is justification for GT Purley Porsche
to have ,for seven years, given it a "Best Avoided" rating in there
Pure Data section.
All of the quotes are taken from GT Purely Porsche 2002 to 2005.
August 2004 issue:
"First,back in September 2002, we lambasted the S for it's hyper-active road manners,calling it the perfect King's Road 911."
"In February of this year we ran a 993 2S and 4S buyers guide.The author of that feature announced that the wide-bodied cars are not as good to drive as a standard Carrera 2. On the track or perfectly smooth blacktop you wouldn't complain, but when it came to driving the car every day on the UK's pitiful highways, it was certainly not handling as fluently as it should. He went on to say: Many owners
found they couldn't live with the S on a day-to-day basis and quickly
sold them. Our Pure Data section in the magazine, meanwhile ,
describes the 2S as a 'best avoided. The wide-boy 993 is, it would
appear , is something of a dichotomy- a flawed genius."
December 2005 issue:
"....in execution the Carrera S ,with it's two-wheel drive running gear, 17-inch wheels and standard brakes proved to be a bit of a disappointment. Admittedly it looked fantastic, those wide hips and a drop in ride height giving the S a menacing, ground-hugging appearance, but there was none of the finesse of the standard Carrera 2 about the car. Where the Carrera 2 glided over surface imperfections, the C2S crashed and thumped, hunting cambers and demanding frequent corrections. As an overall package this was the most compromised of the 993 range."
There are numerous other negative opinions given about the 2S. The
30 extra kilos reduced its performance and make it a difficult
machine to drive. There was and is justification for GT Purley Porsche
to have ,for seven years, given it a "Best Avoided" rating in there
Pure Data section.
05-11-2012, 02:18 PM
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Mark
I was thinking maybe a couple of the regular 993 board trolls could be locked in a room together. Then thought better of the whole idea. While it would be amusing to watch at first, I fear it could end in a black hole into which the entire 993 board would disappear.
I was thinking maybe a couple of the regular 993 board trolls could be locked in a room together. Then thought better of the whole idea. While it would be amusing to watch at first, I fear it could end in a black hole into which the entire 993 board would disappear.
05-11-2012, 02:36 PM
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PecosBill
05-11-2012, 02:44 PM
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I LOVE my wide-assed car - but I also have 400+HP to push her ***.
And the view from behind - !!
If I had less power - still stupendous!
Cheers,
Mike
And the view from behind - !!
If I had less power - still stupendous!
Cheers,
Mike